Lawsuit alleges that deputies assigned to traffic enforcement duties the Victorville Sheriff’s Station were forced to meet a quota of 200 tickets per month. A practice that is illegal under California law.
Friday, June 26, 2015 - 12:15 p.m.
Fallout has already started from an impending San Bernardino County Grand Jury report, expected Tuesday, which reportedly will expose a traffic ticket quota system forced upon motor traffic officers in the contract city of Victorville.
Reliable sources say that all motor traffic officers have now been reassigned to patrol duty assignments in other sheriff stations throughout the county. Even though acceptable practice is to remove the alleged harasser from the hostile work environment. The move makes the transfer appear retaliatory in nature.
Several years ago the management staff at the station felt it necessary to push quotas on deputies. Even though such a practice is patently illegal under California law.
The episode caused the filing of a lawsuit alleging a hostile work environment and whistle-blower retaliation. How that lawsuit remained under wraps for eleven months is interesting.
The complaint, filed in San Bernardino County Superior Court, by Plaintiff’s Tim Jordan, Brian Moler and Jeff Wetmore, paints a blistering picture of a department out of control, with little or no supervision.
The aforementioned complaint alleges that deputies assigned to traffic enforcement duty were given a quota of 200 citations per month.
The lawsuit has survived the Demurrer stage and is in depositions, with a trial setting pending.
It’s unknown as to where or not Victorville officials have been made aware of the situation.
To read the complaint in its entirety, click the following link: Jordan et al v. County of San Bernardino
Developing……
Don’t forget, SEBA and specifically Nancy Tate in all of her and Michael Eagleson’s ineptness have allowed this to happen under the false guise of “department needs”. NOT, morons!!! When it’s obviously retaliatory the department can’t use it as the excuse….
SEBA, WAKE THE F Up for CHRIST SAKE!!
We should all wait to comment until James Mills can tell us these employees are all disgruntled and the defendants are SOLID managers.
Come on James we can pick up where we left off.
Told you old man your to drunk to clue in.
Now repost your titanic sinking ship quote and gather up your nuts and impress us!!
@1 wait until you hear what happened to those who towed cars then bought them back and sold them for profit.
I must say Sergeant Jordon has NUTS!!!! God bless him.
Chris Gaspard can write some serious paper. Kudos to him.
I think Gaspard has a winner with this case. Does anyone know if the narc guys were disciplined or fired for the towing and purchasing of the vehicles?
To bad they didn’t tag Mills with one of those tickets. Recall McMahon…,
The tow guys Hofmann and Soliman. The other musketeer at Pricktorville is Bret Zour.
From what I understand…the tow thing was covered up when they figured out numerous other department members, not just the narcs, were buying department towed cars from the same tow company. If they dug into what the narcs were doing, everything thing else would come out so it went away. What should have been a criminal investigation like this:
http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/salinas/shocking-revelations-in-king-city-police-corruption-case/26685444
ended up being covered up with a couple of negative personnel reports.
The tow thing was covered up.
The two main players were given a personnel report and eventually promoted to Sergeant.
If this isn’t another RICO I don’t know what is.
But God help an employee who reports that serious criminal misconduct or says a ticket quota is illegal.
ATTENTION Grand Jury are you reading this? FBI hello!
McMahon might catch up to Hillary Clinton in lies before years end.
I sure hope the employees in the quota thing didn’t say much to SEBA clowns Tate and Eagleson. I bet they were on the phone with the brass in record time.
I did hear SEBA filed grievances. WOW heavy duty deterrent there.
Of course the little guys got reprimanded and a written. They, however, we’re NOT selling them for a profit…… That part was not true as far as HOFFMAN and SOLOMON go.
The tows were legal. All paperwork was proper. The obvious issue is PERCEPTION. Yes they were given the first choice to buy the vehicle before it went to Auction. However, the tow company has to sale them for a specific price, so NO the tow company was not taking a loss.
There was a Lt and Capt rumored to be selling for a profit, I can’t speak of that since I have no first hand knowledge. I can only speak of what I know about Hoffman and Soloman.
No, they weren’t the only ones buying them.
This is nothing new however. Numerous other toy companies around the State do the same thing. I agree it looks bad, however it was perfectly legal.
Really…..there were several people present when Hoffman’s wife said just the opposite. I spoke to one of them. Hoffman, Solomon, and another were buying cars they towed and listing them on Craigslist or putting them on street corners with for sale signs. There’s also an SSS who went with them to deliver atleast one car they sold. Nice spin but your info is bogus.
http://m.vvdailypress.com/article/20150626/NEWS/150629789/14579/NEWS
Victorville station has never been the same since Pratt left. One dump truck after another has run that place since. Taylor ran it into the ground. Raynolds was missing in action and was busy getting deals on Harley’s and whatever else he could squeeze from local buisness owners. Yoder was busy chasing tail and acting like a fool. Lucia nice guy but not Captain material. Last time I saw him he looked like a walking stroke case. Place is taking a toll on him. Billings is an A1 fool. Guy is a legend in his own mind and treats everyone like dirt. It’s a shame Sheriff refuses to clean out the management there. Very busy and dangerous place to work. Just another station adrift with lousy leadership.
Why would the little guy get written up if they weren’t selling for profit and everything is legal?
Did these Sergeants take the personnel report and remain silent to be a “team player”?
Numerous tow companies do this? Seems this ONE tow company out of Barstow was the only one around here. Is there more?
Hmm a deputy tows a car then gets first dibs on it when it goes to lean sale? Sounds like a serious motivation for towing cars and not a good one.
A Lt and a Captain selling for profit, but the little guy takes it in the shorts? That’s typical.
Funny how the suit alleges Jordon reports this supposed LEGAL conduct then suddenly is on the shit list and is transferred.
I’d say Hoffman and Solomon are destined for a deposition. Sounds like they may be victims whether they want to be or not.
Heard today from a pretty good source that State Attorney General wants the crimiminal case from Sheriff investigators ref the Horse thief beat down. Word is DA and Sheriff are to close. Guess the campaign mailers they did together during last election raised some concerns in Sac. Some are thinking the DA and Sheriff can’t be trusted. More dirty politics in County government causing the Feds and State to step in and do the job of others.
Having purchased a home here in Lake Elsinore 4 years within this past 12 months the Police presence has increased 10 fold, ticket Quota? I would like to know the Percentage of increase of citations issued here in Lake Elsinore compared to previous 3 years prior.
Collier, Riverside Dr, Lakeshore and Grand Ave. Willing to bet their is an OFFICIAL TICKET QUOTA! Based on solely on REVENUE GENERATION!
Perfectly legal? Please post the law that allows this perceived scam to take place. Are you telling us anonymous that the deputy who towed the car can buy this car once it goes to lean sale? Or did the deputy towing the car tell his pals about the car so they could follow up with the tow company and let the owner know they were interested in the car? Wonder what the ratio of junk cars towed versus nice cars. Did the interdiction guys go shopping while on the interstate?
Wow….I just read the linked lawsuit and I know these are allegations that have yet to be proven but you’ve got:
1. Deputies towing cars and then buying them at lien sale and selling them for profit and the department covering it up. Despite what another poster said, I think the DA or AG’s office would have an issue with it being legal (google King City police tow scandal).
2. Cusimano burrying an active IA and lying about the reason for it and getting caught by his own peers.
3. Lucia and Billings pressuring deputies to change citations to warnings and fixing red light camera tickets for people (Illegal).
4. An illegal 200 cite a month quota with all kinds of retaliation and harrasment for the guys who refused to do it.
You’ve got the FBI and grand jury investigating the department and now this. Pass the popcorn cause this is going to be an interesting show.
Might be why the county has had to hire outside council to try and defend mctool. buy your popcorn, mills will supply the booze and denny the medication. #12 raynolds chased as much tail as yoder. raynolds covered up for his kid who was having sex with a explorer. raynolds kid got hired couldn’t pass the polygraph got hired anyways. raynolds retaliated against a deputy who objected to raynolds hitting on his girlfriend at a xmas party. raynolds is a punk. taylor only got promoted because of the abernathie lawsuit. taylors ass is wider than lucias. mr. shark himself. remember taylor is smarter than hoops. the only guy who could stand his ground is yoder. the rest are pussies. herbert and bracco once related. cheese farmers.
Let’s see Hoffman and Solomon were detectives at the time this issue broke, now they are Sergeants!
The whistleblower Sergeant Jordon has retired do to a medical condition which is really a “constructive discharge” I think that’s the legal term when you leave before you get fired or harassed until you lose it.
Captain Lucia is still at Victorvile. Billings has a new assignment in charge of high desert gang unit. Sergeant Bret Zour a defendant John Doe 1-10 has been transferred to Internal Affairs.
The plaintiffs that are still working have been transferred to other patrol stations.
3 motorcycles sit collecting dust.
Sounds about right.
Just from reading the lawsuit, when the depositions get going on this, its gonna be a who’s who of department brass starting with the top…McMahon, Cusimano, Williams, Herbert, Lucia, Billings and who knows who else. Wonder if they’re hiding emails like they did in the Bauer case.
I am hoping some political consultant will pay someone some money to open up the other blog.
If that would happen then the administrator can have the McMahon sisters come in and attack everyone and defend the Sheriff like they did during the campaign.
I miss Michelle, Miki, Kyleen and the other bridge troll who got free helicopter rides in 40 King.
Nothing like wife’s defending their friends.
They are heavily armed with hearsay and are prepared to defend the regime like the military is the USA!
Seems to be the only hope right now.
Hopefully they can articulate how Sergeant Jordon is a POS in real life.
#21 there were a few leg hugging Sergeants that tried to defend McMahon until they got a verbal smack down by you. The never bring facts.
This might be the Hoops nail in Mcmahons political mule. He has always been a loser like Mills.
First and foremost you do know what a lien sale is right? The owner of the vehicle DOES NOT CLAIM IT OR WANT IT. After so many days the tow company can then sale it. Nothing shady here.
My source is Hoffman and Solomon. I suppose they could have not told me everything, but I doubt it. REGARDLESS, even if they did, IT”S NOT A CRIME. If a drug car gets impounded and the dope dealer doesn’t want it back, then guess what, IT GOES TO AUCTION…..duh
Instead of it going to a bid, WHOM EVER INQUIRES about the vehicle before the auction can buy it. Call around any tow company, it’s not a secret………. It does have the perception of something scandalous, i get that, but it’s nothing compared to the b.s. the department does on a daily basis to us……
For your reading update
To start a lien sale for a vehicle valued at $4,000 or less
Step 1. Finding the vehicle’s owner
Within 15 days of the date the lien sale arises, complete a Registration Information Request for Lien Sale (INF 1126) form and submit it to DMV. The DMV will provide a vehicle history record with the registered and legal owner(s) of record and known interested parties. Owners identified from incomplete transfers are included as interested parties.
If there is a Vehicle License and Title “stop” on record, send a copy of the printout to the Lien Sales Unit (address below) with the lien sale possession date and the name and address of the person conducting the lien sale. The Lien Sales Unit will review the “stop” to determine if a lien sale can be processed. A letter will be mailed to the company/individual conducting the lien sale to advise if it is OK to proceed with the lien sale or not. If the lien sale cannot be conducted, contact information will be provided so that the necessary steps can be taken to remove the “stop” and proceed with the lien sale.
Improperly identified vehicles can invalidate a lien sale and require the lienholder to reapply for a lien sale even if the vehicle has been sold.
Step 2. Starting the sale process
At least 31 days, but no more than 41 days before the sale date (not counting the day the notice is mailed), send a Notice of Pending Lien Sale for Vehicle Valued $4,000 or Less (REG 668) by certified mail (return receipt requested)* or U.S. Postal Service Certificate of Mailing to all of the following:
Registered owner(s)
Legal owner(s)
Any known interested parties
* To DMV by certified mail only
@20, you can be assured they are.
Why hasn’t anyone fixed that b.s. portion of discovery? Who really thinks those who are getting sued are going to hand over the REALLY juicy emails? Look at that treason bitch Hillary. That shit needs to change to allow for a monitor from the other party to validate search of evidence and non destruction. I mean some 6k showed up AFTER BAUER went Federal…… After Laura Ornelas LIED HER ASS OFF and said that there are no emails, they are destroyed after 2 weeks…….hahahahaha
Fuk’ n county is as crooked as a question mark
SBSO is nothing but corrupt dirtbags that belong in federal prison. Karma is a bttch.
@23 its not what took place at the time of tow, it’s what took place after the tow.
I towed more than my share of cars, you giving me a lesson in tows and lien sales?
We all know that load vehicles whether it be transporting money or dope WILL NOT in most cases be recovered by the criminal element that borrowed it, rented it or stole it, hell they may have owned it.
It’s a loss or price of doing business DUH!
A illegal no Habla English driver going to contest the tow to the station sergeant and explain the dope, money or his friend who was driving without a license or suspended was a mistake? NOT the norm.
If your a cop you suck at explaining what we already know are the rules of the game. If there was no crime then You should be man enough to put your name behind it and call it for what is or STFU.
You get a car for a grand that you or your partner towed sell it for two grand there is a problem. When you use ONE tow company that just adds to the problem.
Maybe your pals Hoffman and Solemon forgot to tell you Sheriffs management is real big on the perception is reality in taking you to task. ONLY if it fits their agenda.
Now why don’t you tell me that a 1995 Honda Accord with 300k in miles was a good target vehicle for purchase by others? MAYBE if there was a buyer interested in advance.
Your suggesting however slight that attorney Chris Gaspard is pissing in the wrong hole?
Gee I lost count on such suggestions by anonymous clowns.
Spare me if you think John McMahon will get on the stand in open court under oath and finally call BS on these supposed bogus allegations.
We just need to find out who else profited from this and the deal is sealed. I’d much rather expose a manager than rank and file because the underlings are feeding off them.
@18. Lucia is no longer a shark. Had his Shark tat redone as a flower years ago. Even showed the redue to Beemer in his office. Kinda like given up your colors!
You still haven’t cited a law, penal code section, or any of the like to support your belief that it’s a crime…… When you can do that, then we can have a debate.
Good luck with that. It’s not a crime, it’s an ethics issue which is why I would imagine the brass didn’t want it exposed. Chris Gaspard is not basing his lawsuit on the legality of the Tow/Lien sale, the issue is the retaliatory conduct. Let’s stick with the issue at hand.
The issue is the Moral and Ethical issues that can be raised which Jordan rightfully brought to their attention.
Then the lawsuit. Everything that they did ranging from Quota’s, to retaliatory transfers, to ticket changing, it’s all in there. No one is denying it looks bad and doesn’t pass the smell test. But it is hardly the crux of the case. Jordan did the right thing by bringing what he thought, and is in my opinion, an ethical issue that needed to be addressed.
Not sure what your hot and heavy about
Don’t know about you but this story does rhyme with the allegations of this case.
http://www.montereyherald.com/general-news/20140225/king-city-police-officers-arrested-in-corruption-scandal
@23. If your source is Hoffman and Solomon, they are lying to you. According to my sources, a sergeant, a detective and a deputy all heard one of their wives and the SSS describe the operation and the SSS admited to helping shuttle one of the cars they sold to the person that bought it. The sergeant reported it to his lieutenant and that lieutenant drove by Hoffmans house and found 2-3 cars bought from this tow yard in Barstow.
Either way, it sounds like a lot of people are going to be testifying under oath about this, either in depos, in front of the grand jury or possibly in front of a criminal jury. I’m sure the truth will get sorted out.
@30 Well it very much sounds like it. That’s too bad…….. Lucky for those 2 they have already caught discipline should it blow up into something more
Not really, unless of course you could prove they were giving some kind of kick back to the tow company, then you may very well have something. The big difference is EMBEZZLEMENT AND BRIBERY. Prove those elements in this caper, and you have yourself another NO FILE because Ramos is still wearing knee pads
I would guess grand theft and conspiracy for starters. Now, if the cars had actually gone to auction, and the deputies outbid everyone present then I don’t see a crime. I do see a need for a policy prohibiting employees and their immediate family members from buying seized property. Does anyone know if sbsd has this policy? Almost every agency I know of does!
They probably do now
@28…not criminal? From reading the lawsuit and the comments, this is what I see.
1. You have a team that is tasked with stopping cars on I15 and I40. They stop many cars a day looking for drugs and money. During the course of this, they do 30-day impounds on many cars that don’t have drugs or money in them.
2. Whether they’re in Victorville, Cajon Pass or Barstow, they call one sole tow company in Barstow to tow the cars. That tow company is owned by the father of a Deputy Sheriff. There is no MOU in place for exclusivity and the normal rotation tows for those areas are not given any of that tow business that would lead to income for their business.
3. In return for this exclusivity, the tow company owner notifies the deputies when a nice car they impounded for 30-days is up for lean sale.
4. The deputies buy the ones they want at considerable amounts below bluebook, and the rest are sold buy the tow company owner.
5. The deputies keep some cars for personal use and sell the others, making considerable profits.
6. The tow company owner is providing discounted cars to the deputies in return for the exclusive business on the many other cars the deputies tow that he sells at normal prices to the general public.
7. The deputies are providing exclusive business to the tow company in return for the opportunity to purchase cars at discounted prices that they later sell for profit.
8. BOTH the tow company owner AND the deputies are giving and receiving bribes for goods and services that result in additional income for both. BOTH have committed a crime and when I get time I’ll find the applicable code if someone doesn’t beat me to it.
Read the King City case. There is really no difference.
If I owned a tow company on the departments rotation, I’d be asking WTF because I lost business and income to this scam. I’m sure someone is gonna bring up the tow owner provided indoor storage and assistance in accessing hidden compartments but any tow company could have done that. The whole buying and selling impounded cars negates that.
If someone really wanted to open a can of worms, they would pull every 30-day impound CHP FORM 180 these guys did, see what percentage were were minorities and then see what percentage of the cars they purchased belonged to minorities. I think it would really look like the King City case then.
This whole situation stinks. That anyone thought it was OK to do this is beyond me. Poor judgment and lack of ethics by the principals and then a coverup by the executive staff. And then the two who showed absolutely no ethics and poor judgment are promoted to supervisory positions while the sergeant who did the right thing is screwed.
Let’s not forget the Adelanto detective who bought 1 car for his daughter and got a letter of reprimand. Does anyone know who that was?
Also, does anyone know if a guy by the last name of Dickey who owns a tow company in Barstow was a contributer to a particular campaign?
#27 - is that new tattoo a “Pussy Willow?”
@31 incorrect more than once in the sordid disciplinary system has the powers to be disciplined a person moved on and then turned around and came after a person again when the scandal become public.
A PRIME example of that was the POST scandal with the Grays.
@32 if the tow company is being called outside the normal rotation system that in Itself is the kick back or could be consider such. If the car stop was made in the Victorville area and this Barstow tow was called OOPS!! Red flag!!
PROFIT by volume of calls. Want to piss off the tow company’s let them find out somebody is getting more love than they are. Kick backs come in various forms. Think about that!
The mere fact that an extensive Internal Affairs investigation was NOT conducted because Jordon was NOT interviewed and two employees were given a simple personnel report is a MAJOR red flag that there is MUCH more to this.
Some in SBSD think they are covering their butts by doing stupid stuff like this. Having to back track AFTER the fact is always comedy.
If you read Gaspards lawsuit it’s pretty darned detail for a basic lawsuit. The causes of action were detailed unlike Susan Colemans 32 causes of action in opposition which FAILED.
What the lawsuit tells me is someone was KEEPING notes all along. Someone better hope copies of CHP 180’s call history’s etc don’t suddenly appear to refute anything SBSD says didn’t happen.
Chris Gaspard already knows who the liars and cheats are in SBSD.
That’s why Kenny Holtz survived for many years. I’d let the fools run around talking their trash writing checks their asses could not cash and when they got done thinking they had me cold, I would pull a audio tape out of my ass play it for the idiots in IA laugh and walk out the door.
My arrest of Bob Dutton back in the day was a classic example of that.
When John McMahon and his boys go into a public trial and make their bones I’ll be the first one to give them kudos.
This is a case for the FBI to investigate like they did up north.
@35….The officer that purchased the vehicle for his daughter was Hoffman. He was not working Adelanto at the time but was in Narcotics. He stopped the vehicle, towed it for whatever cause then when it came available he purchased it from the tow company for his daughter. His daughter worked at Adelanto and was bragging about the vehicle daddy got her for such a great deal. When the department found out and Jordan made an issue out of it Hoffman received a write up then approximately one year later was promoted to Sgt. And that is still another story. He was in group 2 when promoted and there were still detectives in group 1 who had not been nor did they ever get promoted.
At the time the department did not have a specific policy against this type of activity but if you were someone that they wanted to screw they would have pulled out the Rule “X” crap and more than likely you would have been on the unemployment lines.
Common sense tells you that neither of these guys should have ever been promoted based solely on their judgement. The legality is really not the issue behind this type of activity. It is the perception.
Deputy sees vehicle that looks good. Deputy comes up with any good reason to develop probable cause to stop vehicle. Deputy then developes cause to search vehicle and comes up with any good reason to tow vehicle. Deputy tows vehicle. Deputy then waits for impound to come around and purchase’s the vehicle for family or profit.
The Department decided that the deputy used good judgement and promoted him to a supervisor while others who have never gotten a write can not get promoted.
But remember according to your SEBA president they do not challenge the promotion process because over 50% of the deputies agree with the current policy and do not see a problem with the way the department promotes individuals. Straight from the presidents mouth.
Go figure.
And your right, the problem is simple, these idiots have the power. That’s it. had they not been, you would have not been fired. What people don’t understand is that all these laws that are put in place to protect employees are for the most part window dressing. Most agencies, those that actually are fiscally responsible and take their oath off office serious, respect the departments mission statement, and have an IQ over 2, don’t behave in the fashion SBSD does. Yes, they can fire you for just about anything.
Where SBSD is fundamentally flawed, is their attitude which is indicated in Mr Gaspards lawsuit. They spend it because it isn’t theirs. So, as you can expect from such and unprofessional organization, they will shit can the opposition at no matter the cost to tax payers because “it’s not their money”.
You take a look at leaders from other agencies that have truly prospered vs those that have eventually came crashing down and you will see a glaring commonality, those that fail surround themselves with Yes People and dumb-assess because they are weak minded.
A real leader want’s opposing views, and certainly people a hell of a lot smarter than they are. That is a confident leader who wants to make informed decisions.
SBSD has sadly evolved into those like Capt Marnati. As sharp as a marble and as dumb as an ox. You can’t fix stupid. Sorry. It just can’t happen.
This wave will hopefully pass before SBSD is so tarnished that they ONCE again become a revolving door for officers to get their post and to happily move on to a more professional agency.
“R” is absolutely right about this command staff.
Ok 28 lets just talk about the retaliatory act in the lawsuit. Fair enough.
If no crime is being committed, then explain why a Sergeant was retaliated against for simply reporting a ethics violation?
See your problem with that is there are Sergeants who have been disciplined for FAILING to report misconduct or crimes in a timely manner.
Deputies fired for failing to report a use of force.
So anyone with a brain sees something along those lines reports it up the chain of command because they don’t want to get into trouble ONLY to be screwed with by somebody in power.
Jordon is assured the issue will be handled and should have been THANKED by McMahon who wants the public to believe he doesn’t tolerate misconduct. REALLY?
Instead Jordon is transferred shortly after reporting a ethics issue and the BS continues from there.
In order for YOU to argue that you need to explain retaliatory conduct is nonexistent around here.
The problem with SBSD is they can’t stay consistent in ANYTHING they do. Either their are NO standards or double standards always in play.
YOUR turn!!
If McMahon would uphold the law and let the whistle blowers help him. He would be a star. Instead he continued the culture of corruption at SBSD.
If McMahon won’t clean house it looks like the good hard working deputies will.
Hey McMahon “f**k you turd”!
I was early posting
@35 and 39…The Adelanto detective who bought the car for his daughter and got the letter of reprimand is retired now. Hoffman bought cars for family use in addition to the ones he resold.
So when Hoffman retired did he get Al Daniels old job…….buying and selling cars for the department? Seems like the likely candidate with his experience. And maybe he can get Soloman to retire and he can be the new Dino.
@45…Hoffman is not retired. Everyone is talking about two different individuals.
@39….SBSD’s promotional procedures could be a whole other topic on here.
The procedures to go from sergeant to lieutenant are flawed and lead directly to the lack of accountability and incompetency that permeates the management levels of the department. Once you become a Lieutenant or above, you are an administrator. Administrators, even law enforcement administrators, need to have a different skill set than deputies, detectives or sergeants.
I spoke to a sergeant who went to the Sherman Block Supervisory Leadership Institute (SLI) in the past two years. There were sergeants from 21 agencies throughout California in the class. One day, they all compared promotional procedures they would have to go through to make lieutenant. Without exception, every agency had a written test and the vast majority had an oral board and over half required an AA degree. Some had to do a staff assignment project.
When the SBSD sergeant told them all he had to do was submit a resume and be evaluated by his lieutenant and captain, they were all shocked. This gives a first line supervisor’s immediate bosses too much power over his future and career. Piss of your Lt or captain, forget about getting a promotional evaluation that will get you promoted.
The way SBSD does it was changed a few years back to the current system because there were too many “good ol boys” that couldn’t get past the written test to make Lt because they were too dumb. I’m sorry, if you can’t pass an 8th grade level test, you have no business being an administrator on a large department.
While many qualified individuals have made the step to Lt since this system was started, many unqualified individuals (who would never make Lt in an agency that had a written test and/or oral board) have too. Everyone knows when someone connected gets a promotion over a more qualified individual. It’s a travesty. Billings is a classic example. I think I read in that lawsuit he even said he’s connected.
I’ve heard of several instances of sergeants knowing what their bosses are doing is wrong but they know if they call them out, they’re screwed. Look where Jordan is now. Lucia and Billings went after him after he refused to play their games and when he went to the executive staff for help, they left him to hang out to dry. The message that sends is let your Lt and captain do what they want because the executive staff will blindly support them, no matter what they do.
Change starts at the top. The current crop of Lt’s and above will be there for the next 10-15 years. Some of these guys are more than qualified and awesome to work for. Others will continue to give the department the occasional black eye until they are gone. The department’s hope is in the future.
If the grand jury really wanted to look into what’s wrong with the department, they would poll the 10-20 largest agencies in the state as to their promotional procedures to make lieutenant, and then look hard at what SBSD does. This current system was a good experiment but it didn’t work. The process needs to be corrected so that the names of the most qualified people end up in front of the sheriff, not the connected ones.
Do you think that when Zour shows up for court he can find the right courtroom? When he wrote search warrants in Victorville he couldn’t even find and hit the right house. And he was the one that wrote the warrant../…..
With Bessinger and Zour at internal affairs the lawyers are to be wealthy. McMahon putting his pals or yes men in key positions isn’t going to fix stupid. You have to be intelligent to begin with.
So you’ve got 4 of the 5 current motor officers in VC who file a hostile work environment against Zour and Lucia. They transfer all 5 pending the outcome of the investigation, despite standard protocol that dictates you don’t transfer the accuser. The guy who’s not a part of the hostile work environment gets a traffic car, dayshift weekends off. The others are working patrol, graveyard and cover shifts and weekends. Are the brass at HQ really that stupid? Perception is reality remember. Whether this was intentional or not, you know what these guys are going to argue when it comes to trial and all they need is a majority of the jury to believe it was retaliation. Whomever is pulling the strings on this case at HQ has their head up their ass. They continue to make decisions that are going to cost the county $$$. Oh ya…as someone else pointed out on here, it’s not their money they are spending so who cares.
Regarding a law violation in the towing of cars one can go to California Codes and look.
Government Code 1090(a) is pretty clear on conflicts of interests.
You will see the word COUNTY and EMPLOYEE in the section, right along with FINANCIAL GAIN.
To the Hoffman/Soloman defender would you like to debate this NOW?
Go see Captain Jon Marhoefer maybe he can explain the 1090 issue to you. He has been there done that.
Yes we know if Mikey Ramos doesn’t file on you, you didn’t do anything wrong.
Sbso crooks belong in prison. The whole dept is totally corrupt, partularly the managers.
@52 That is a stretch……. But I suppose you could argue the deputy is an agent of the government WHO has the contract…… Irregardless, criminal or not, which I still believe it’s not, IS an ethics issue and should not have been going on IF they were selling them for profit. Had they just bought one for themselves or family is one thing, to make profit, not good.
@54 Mike Ramos is the KING for stretching the law. LMAO!!!!!!
We will see if any of those who retaliated on those deputies are brilliant enough to make such an argument to a civil jury
A LEO an agent of the government??? I think that’s a given.
I’d be willing to bet serious money at least one of those deputies has the Valachi papers in hand on this and the other issues.
Remember there are other serious documented ethics and legal issues out there on McMahons regime to date.
Cops love to talk about a persons PRIORS to deflect issues. That’s a TWO sided coin and now that is happening to SBSD management they don’t seem to like their own medicine very well.
They earned it and then some.
@52 and 54…..this is the section…and it clearly applies to the facts of this incident….
The offense of Bribery of Public Employees under Penal Code 67 and 68 falls into three categories:
◾Bribery of Executive Officers – Penal Code 67
◾Bribery of ministerial officers & public employees – Penal Code 67.5
◾Bribery by executive/ministerial officers and public employees – Penal Code 68
◾Definition of Bribe
◾Who Can be Charged
◾Legal Defenses
◾Penalties
The text of each section is provided directly below:
California Penal Code 67 – Every person who gives or offers any bribe to any executive officer in this state, with intent to influence him in respect to any act, decision, vote, opinion, or other proceeding as such officer, is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three or four years, and is disqualified from holding any office in this state.
California Penal Code 67.5 – (a) Every person who gives or offers as a bribe to any ministerial officer, employee, or appointee of the State of California, county or city therein, or political subdivision thereof, any thing the theft of which would be petty theft is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) If the theft of the thing given or offered would be grand theft the offense is a felony punishable by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.
California Penal Code 68 – (a) Every executive or ministerial officer, employee, or appointee of the State of California, a county or city therein, or a political subdivision thereof, who asks, receives, or agrees to receive, any bribe, upon any agreement or understanding that his or her vote, opinion, or action upon any matter then pending, or that may be brought before him or her in his or her official capacity, shall be influenced thereby, is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four years and, in cases in which no bribe has been actually received, by a restitution fine of not less than two thousand dollars ($2,000) or not more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000) or, in cases in which a bribe was actually received, by a restitution fine of at least the actual amount of the bribe received or two thousand dollars ($2,000), whichever is greater, or any larger amount of not more than double the amount of any bribe received or ten thousand dollars ($10,000), whichever is greater, and, in addition thereto, forfeits his or her office, employment, or appointment, and is forever disqualified from holding any office, employment, or appointment, in this state.
(b) In imposing a restitution fine pursuant to this section, the court shall consider the defendant’s ability to pay the fine.
Definition of Bribe
Under California Law a bribe takes place when a public official corruptly makes a decision or intervenes on behalf of someone in exchange for money or something of value. Bribery can be prosecuted under both solicitation of a bribe and offering a bribe to a public officer of employee.
Example of Bribery
What Is Bribery Of An Executive Officer Under California Penal Code 67?
The California Penal Code section 67 covers bribe1 to an executive officer2 which entails giving3 something of value to an executive officer for the purpose of influencing the officer’s act/decision/opinion in your favor4
Some examples of an executive officer are a police officer, deputy sheriff, commissioner, and police chief.5
What Is Bribery Of a Ministerial Officer Or Public Employee Under California Penal Code 67.5?
The California Penal Code section 67.5 covers bribe to a ministerial officer6 or public employee which entails giving something of value to a ministerial officer or public employee for the purpose of influencing the officer’s act/decision/opinion in your favor.
Some examples of a ministerial officer or public employee are as follows: traffic clerk, building inspector, coroner.
What is Bribery by Executive/Ministerial Officers And Public Employees Under California Penal Code 68?
The California Penal Code section 68 covers bribes requested or agreed to by executive/ministerial officers and public employees. In other words, the official himself/herself either requests or agrees to accept a bribe for the corrupt purpose of benefiting himself in exchange for an act/decision/opinion in the briber’s favor.
How Does The Prosecutor Prove Bribery Of An Executive Officer?
To prove that you are guilty of bribery of an executive officer, the prosecutor has to prove the following facts or elements:
◾you gave or offered a bribe
◾to an executive officer
◾you acted with the corrupt intent8
◾to unlawfully influence that officer’s official act/decision/vote/opinion
@52 and 54….more on the intent aspect of bribery…again, fits this situation perfectly..
Intent is one of the elements that must be established to prove the crime of bribery[i]. Generally, a bribe requires that the payment be made with a corrupt intent. Corrupt intent is the intent to receive a specific benefit in return for the payment[ii]. The existence of a corrupt intent to influence the discharge of official duties is a necessary element of the crime of bribery. It is not necessary to show that the public official to whom the bribe was offered was actually corrupted by the offer. Similarly, there is no need to show that the official accepted the bribe. Some statutes make attempted bribery a crime and so long as a bribe is offered or promised with the requisite intent to influence any official act, then it is presumed that the crime is committed[iii].
Both the giving and receiving of a bribe are equally punishable and a specific corrupt intent to influence an official action is required[iv]. An official action must be free from improper motives of personal advantage and an intent to subject the action to such motives is a corrupt intent. Similarly, an intent to use the opportunity to perform a public duty as a means of acquiring an unlawful personal benefit or advantage by the person who receives the bribe amounts to a corrupt intent[v].
According to some statutes, the corrupt intent need not exist in the mind of both parties. It is sufficient if the intent exists in the mind of any one of the parties. The giver of a bribe is punishable under the statute and his/her offense is complete when he/she corruptly offers a bribe, even if the other party refuses it or takes it innocently[vi]. Similarly, one who accepts bribe is also punishable and his/her offense is complete when he/she corruptly accepts a bribe, even if the giver has no corrupt intent in offering the gift. Therefore, the corrupt intent can be personal and not joint in nature[vii].
The guilt of a bribe taker depends solely upon his/her own corrupt intention and the defendant cannot escape conviction upon the ground that the bribe giver had no criminal intent[viii]. Therefore, some bribery statutes do not require that an agreement be reached between the briber and the bribee but only require that the briber offer money or property to another with the subjective intent that he/she will induce some prohibited act in return[ix].
Thanks for the info, I can go with that. But as you an see, it’s certainly not a SIMPLE task to prosecute someone for those. Like I have said all along, INTENT is the issue…….. That’s why ETHICALLY it is a serious mis-step
Intent or no intent, I really don’t think this is gonna see a criminal court. It happened 5 years ago. Gaspard will get it in front of a civil jury but that’s it.
@58 I can’t argue that analogy.
Mike Ramos is having a very difficult time prosecuting several cases and screwed up several more that never made it to trial and cases had to be dismissed.
That’s why I am hoping the FBI goes way beyond the two issues they have announced their investigating.
I wouldn’t want to be attached to anything that smells criminal right now, especially at SBSD!!!!!!
@56, 57 Thank you.
54 it wasn’t his to sell you idiot!
Well It seems the Deputies in this traffic quota retaliation scheme reached out to SEBA over a YEAR ago for legal assistance and it was DENIED despite the fact this issue is something that effects ALL members.
ONLY one person at SEBA who deals with this thats Michael Eagleson.
The various scenarios that continue to come up involving SEBA that suggest they are as corrupt as anyone else is glaring.
I really hope the pending SCOTUS case involving mandatory dues by union members is resolved and members can no longer be forced to pay dues to their union.
When the FBI investigates SEBA it will open some eyes!
SEBA, Laren, Bootlicker, if you clowns don’t do something, your just as stupid as Eagleson
I don’t think the FBI really cares about SEBA. If your dumb enough to pay into it, you are dumb enough to get bent over!
There was a SEBA meeting yesterday, Eagleson called in sick! Word is he didn’t want to be asked any questions.
I know there’s some hard feelings about SEBA here but give em a break. They filed a grievance early on in this mess that ultimately lead to a couple of the motors getting put back in traffic and they are filing a grievance with regards to last weeks transfer of all 5 motors.
So Jordan is a 26 year decorated veteran of the department, working at the busiest most ghetto station in the county, and he gets a tummy ache and the doo doo squirts after a run in with his Captain and Lieutenant? Are you kidding me? That’s lawsuit material, a tummy ache?
What is it with everyone’s entitlement attitude these days? I deserve weekends off, I deserve to ride a motor for the rest of my career, I deserve to work at whatever assignment I want for as long as I want. How about you work when and where the Sheriff tells you to work. I worked Narcs before and it was the best assignment I ever had. I also got transferred back to patrol after my time was up. You go home, pout for the night, and wake up the next day and go to work where the Sheriff sends you. I took a pay cut (no more OT or take home car) but you tough it out and don’t whine. Nothing lasts forever, not Narcs, not Homicide, not Public Affairs, not Motors. Get over it bitches!
#68, maybe we don’t really need motors. 200 tickets @ $300 each is $60,000 a month in court revenue.
Fu dumba$$…..
69 is a brick who can’t read………..
Transferred for time is one thing, transferred because you have ethical standards is another you clown
69 is McMahon trying to make himself look good. Idiot!
Right on been transferred!!!! Lol
@68 what is the best case scenario when a grievance ismr
68 a grevience wow. That has how much effect in the end? Like writing a parking ticket for a DUI.
@65, Couldn’t have said it better……
SEBA should hire Bauer
When someone takes on this job, they acknowledge the sheriff can send them anywhere based on the needs of the department. They don’t acknowledge he can send them anywhere if they call him or his command staff out on ethical issues, hostile work environments or violations of the law. If the sheriff transfers people under the guise of needs of the department and there is ample evidence that it is instead retaliatory, that is where things end up in the legal arena.
They allege Jordan’s transfer in 2011 was retaliatory. They have to prove it. They allege Moler’s and Wetmore’s transfers out of the traffic division in 2013 was retaliatory. They have to prove it. The allege the transfer of the entire motor division 2 weeks ago was retaliatory. They have to prove it.
Some people are yes men who do whatever the command staff wants regardless of their ethics or morals hoping to get a push or choice assignment. They fuck peers and subordinates at the behest of the command staff AND they even let the powers that be fuck them and keep their mouth shut, still hoping for that push or choice assignment in the future.
Others don’t and make a stand. These guys are clearly making a stand on what they believe.
If you think Wetmore is doing this to take a “ethical stand” you are misguided. His ethics include being a slug, going home on duty to play video games, and drinking like it’s going out of style. Moler is at least a hard worker. He could use a little more professional courtesy in his daily activities but at least he’s a worker.
This isn’t about ethics, it’s about entitlement. Jordan wants his weekends and holidays off and Wetmore and Moler want to stay on a motor forever. How long has Wetmore been on a motor anyway? 10 years at least. I’d say his time is up.
Let’s not hold these guys up as some type of heroes making a stand for the good of the department. They are doing this for selfish reasons.
@68 as is normally the case if someone comes in here and makes a statement like you did my phone rings.
SEBA ONLY filed a grievance because this thing has NOW went public via the papers, blog, Grand Jury report etc.
This caught the newspapers attention because of THIS blog not the other way around.
So SEBA IGNORED these cops until NOW!!
This was a PERFECT case and there has been others when SEBA heard of something like this to TAKE the initiative CONTACT the member(s) and KICK ASS!
Who does SEBA think their fooling serving up NASTY KOOL-AID to unknowing sheep and trying to convince others SEBA is some top notch Union?
Voting out Phil Dupper is just ANOTHER example of the political BS at SEBA.
SEBA might have a nice PAC fund but it STOPS there.
You boys on the Board think your movers and shakers in Public Safety Unions?
Stolen Valor for you douche whistles.
69 a fitting number for you but not in the context we know it as. Is that your position trying to promote and belittle Jordon? I bet you have a tummy ache every time you visit the bosse
@79 this is all documented right?
You think these issues are going to set aside the ticket quota allegations?
If anything you say is true then I guess Lucia and those before him should have addressed said issues YEARS ago?
Stayed tuned for more drama as related to Lucia and Billings. It will go WAY beyond a slug or a marginal worker.
Here is a thought.
Next time you use a convicted criminal as a informant and spend hours making them credible in order to convict some one think about your statement.
Few of you who comment ever see the flip side of the coin your tossing.
@79 I’m sure there’s a lot of people who see it your way, that these guys are all doing it for selfish reasons. I’m also sure there’s a lot of people who see it as taking a stand. The bottom line is the only opinions that are going to matter are the jurors who hear the case, If it gets that far.
I’ve read the lawsuit that’s posted several times. I’ve also talked to a few people. I know the lawsuit is just allegations that have to be proven but it sure sounds like all of these guys tried to head off a lawsuit before it happened. Jordon went over his command staffs heads to Williams. Not many sergeants do that. I have a feeling the county’s defense is not going be based on he wanted dayshift and weekends off, thats why he is doing his. As for their work ethic, I bet you could throw anybodys name on here and there would be “gutsy” anonymous people saying good and bad things about them. That’s just the way it is. You can’t have everyone like you and you can’t live your life like you’re in a popularity contest. Opinions are like assholes remember…and some people with strong opinions are just…well…assholes.
79 needs to explain McMahons ethical standards and selfish reasons. 79 when you say ethics you mean when McMahon got his truck registered in Idaho? Allowed innocent cops to be prosecuted? Please tell us how managements standards exceed Jordon, Moler, Wetmores current work ethics?
Seems like a lot of slugs sue the department. They are inept and lazy and when they are challenged they file a suit. We’ve seen in before rather recently. Common denominator is they fail to recognize their own defencies and want to blame others. They will look for any angle that they can to deflect from being held accountable.
Interesting case.
http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/6678308-LA-police-win-6M-settlement-over-ticket-quotas/
Don’t get me wrong, I like Jordan. I don’t know him real well but we’ve crossed paths. I’ve always found him to be honest and ethical. I was surprised he went out like this. I read the lawsuit as well and as far as damages go, it seems weak to me. Upset stomach and the runs, transferred about 6 miles away to another station, given traffic sgt. spot at new station, report kicked back, and minor policy violation investigation against him. It doesn’t seem like that adds up to retaliation and a lawsuit. After 26 years, that’s not what I would want people to remember me for.
I’d be careful hanging my hat on the Wetmore wagon especially if you plan on taking the moral high ground with ethical superiority. Dude lives in a glass house.
I’m not the idiot, asshole, ass kissing boot licker you’d like to portray me as, just a guy with a different perspective. Without another perspective you guys wouldn’t have anyone to argue with and the site would be boring. Have a Happy 4th.
@83 Probably one of the most intelligent postings I have ever read! Everyone who has worked with Jordan knows he can be a A1 arrogant prick, but keep in mind as a Sgt for this department, he tried to bring to the attention of his Lt. the concerns he had about department members aquiring vehicles they themselves towed.
Was he trying to rat out other department members and make himself look good while doing it? YES! But most dept members would agree, reporting his concerns was the right thing to do, and consistant with the best spirit of the Dept. Clearly he was right, because the Dept later added to the policy manuel, that Dept members could not obtain vehicles for their personal use or by family members. Why the decision was made to transfer him from county to VC station is up for speculation?
The bottom line is Lt. Billings was out of his GOD DAMN MIND thinking he could issue a 200 a month, ticket quota directive to Jordan, and try to disguise it as just a guideline to follow. His position of authority went to his head and Capt. Lucia should have known better and had Billing pump his brakes! Managment knows when thier subordinates are right or wrong by policy! A Lt. who thought he could intimidate the entire traffic unit at the VC station into something they knew was against policy and in the CA CVC code, WAS PURE MADNESS!!!!
Look at what Billings arrogance has now and will later cost the county? Look at what Capt. Lucia’s failure to command and control his Lt. will cost the county?
Of course this is the sad truth of it all! They don’t give a fuck about their decisions or how those decisions destroy the overall trust and moral of thier troops or other rank and file. Every Commander/Manager knows, they are never held personally accountable for the consequences of their decisons. NO MONEY COMES OUT OF THEIR PERSONAL POCKETS! HELL, ANY PAYOUT DOESN’T EVEN COME OUT OF THE DEPT GENERAL FUND. IT BECOMES COUNTY LIABILITY, AND IS PAID OUT OF COUNTY FUNDS, SUPPLIED BY JOHN Q TAXPAYER!!!
Mills has told you himself on this blog, “The county has paid out less money in lawsuits then other counties” That says it all folks!!!! #40 also spoke about this! It’s worth another re-read.
Only people who have the balls to fight eithier get targeted later in their career or have to end their career by taking a payoff to go away! This is the unfortunate end game for every SBSO employee!
Good luck out there everyone!!!!
Mills, you truly take the cake. Conversely, your just like the rest of the HARD HEADED, EGO maniac Supervisors at SBSD, like McMahon, who are to ignorant to realize, YOUR WRONG. No matter how many juries tell you, no matter how many checks you write, no matter what the Grand Jury discovers, no matter how many others do the same thing at other agencies AND LOOSE, you still think your right. You know what we call that?
A Liberal Democrat, Gun Grabbing, Open Border, Black Lives Matter, The White Man Made me do it, Hilary had no Classified Emails on her ILLEGAL PERSONAL SERVER, the IRS gave all of Lois Lerners emails, Bill Clinton didn’t have SEX with Monica, Obama has a Authentic Birth Certificate, Capt Marnati knows more than 2 syllables, Marhofer isn’t really Elmer Fudd, Michael Eagleson passed the BAR, etc etc etc……
YOUR JUST AN IDIOT
Joe Henry did you just throw a rock at your glass house?
This is getting hilarious with Joe Henry’s same old comments to try and deflect the growing tide of ineptness with his hero’s and allegations that over shadow his commentary.
As usual he thinks the little tif bits of information set aside the big issues lodged against managers. That’s why he lost ALL of his battles back in the day.
The lawsuit itself is well written ignoring Joes previous comments about lawsuits. It contains more than enough detailed information to overcome the laughable motion in opposition from attorney Susan Coleman. Some of us already know Coleman from her antics in the Bauer case.
Coleman’s motion contains 32 causes of action as to WHY the lawsuit should be dismissed. NOT ONE of those causes contain ANY specific FACTS to support said causes, NOT ONE!!!
NO ethical issues mentioned, lack of productivity, etc. One who wants to stay on the motor forever is NOT going to be a issue that’s for damn sure.
Who knows Deputy Steve Geist at Rancho Station? He is in his MID 60’s been on a motor for 20 years. Colin McKenzie was in Jail Transportation his entire career. Sgt Joe Ott in corrections his entire career. So that argument of can’t be whatever forever is LAUGHABLE as usual.
Looking at those LEGAL documents I see no pattern of anything to support anonymous’s comments.
As to Jeff Wetmore being whatever, he has been on a motor since his days with Adelanto PD. he has worked under numerous Captains and dozens of Lieutenants and Sergeants.
If they did or didn’t see what is now being said and take appropriate action as to performance issues it’s TOO bad for Sheriffs management. A long time problem that continues to haunt the inept ones.
ANY negative evaluations on ANY employees must be supported with documentation that show a PATTERN. One mistep is NOT grounds for a below standards evaluation. Another nightmare for management. A issue that is seldom challenged in a public forum. MAYBE we will get lucky finally.
Joe Henry knows all to well how that works? Uncle Joe loved to try and get a exceeds standards evaluation shot down JUST because he thought the employee is sub standard. Joe just didnt have ANY supporting facts to justifie his comments.
Sergeants were smart enough to challenge Joe and eventually suggested he change the evaluation himself and give it to the employee.
Would you believe Joe shut up after that? Of course he did. Just like he does here when things get to heated.
Like I said lets see if McMahon wants to jump in the fire again and give it a try and put Chris Gaspard in his place along with his clients.
It’s a show I won’t miss.
@88 What do you get when two A1 arrogant pricks (Jordon AND Billings although I think the majority would say Billings beats Jordon out in that area)bump heads?
A nasty lawsuit and an entertaining thread on this blog.
My money is on Jordon in this one though.
Jordon was most likely sent to VC, so Mctools hatchet man Billings could do a case on him for termination. Looks like it backfired. Any doubt about Lucia and Billings true character has been confirmed. Coward pricks.
We’re going to see arrogant with billings again.
Another serious allegation in this suit is the alleged TICKET fixing. A BIG TIME illegal act that has cost of couple police administrators their job over the years.
Where Billkngs and Lucia think or thought they had such power is beyond me.
Besides the SBSD employee mentioned in this suit, Councilwoman Angela Valles of Victorville name came up in the ticket fix.
The plot thickens.
Lucia, Billings if you two clowns are reading this, has it occurred to either of you it is NOT a good time to be accused of CORRUPT acts with all that is going on in this country that involves Law Enforcement?
The majority of the public is supportive of Law Enforcement, but MANY say if 98% of cops are good why in the HELL are they allowing 2% of the crooked ones to function? EXACTLY!
The public is expecting GOOD cops to speak up against the 2% that are not.
There are plenty of folks out there who are not dirtbags that have ZERO support for cops they may be sitting on a jury.
I bet many of them got tickets and won’t appreciated TICKET fixing or QUOTAS.
Besides the allegations in this suit I suspect when either of you two get on the witness stand to try and impress the jury some of your PAST antics that will go to your credibility and character will come out. We know there are a few.
Think about that!
Update on Lieutenant John Emmons.
The specifics on Emmons assault on the female employee are reported as this.
Emmons calls the female into his office. A witness is present.
Emmons starts on one of his tyraids with the employee.
The female employee says I have had enough of this and says she is leaving. Emmons says no you are not.
The female gets up to leave, Emmons jumps up grabs the female and pushes her back into the chair.
Sounds like an assault to me.
Now we know Mikey Ramos will try and prosecute a deputy for allegedly trying to steal a lighter, another for not reporting a fellow deputy having sex with explorer and of course prosecuting retired Sheriffs Lt’s for a crime they didn’t commit.
The question is will Mikey prosecute Emmons?
Emmons one question for you. HOW come you NEVER tried that with one of the fellas?
There is a long history of male supervisors bullying female employees at the county. The union ignores it as business as usual, HROS ignore it and penalize the female if mentioned, so I doubt the DA would do anything even if a police report were filed. And the employee will get fired. Standard Operating Procedure.
@97 you got that right.
Screwing with wife’s to get at their husband or literally screwing the wife’s of deputies.
Some supervisors are extremely lucky not to have had a mudd hole stomped in their ass over the years.
Wouldn’t that be a mess for Mike Ramos to prosecute or hearing officer David Hart to rule on?
The usual punishment has been road therapy for the guilty ones.
Here is a simple thought.
If Lucia and Billings thought they had the absolute power and discretion to ORDER two hundred tickets a month from each motor officer, then those guys who refused should have been disciplined for “insubordination”.
We know that guys like Joe Henry want us to think when a supervisor says jump, you simply say, how high.
“Obey now, grieve later”.
Maybe SEBA’s go to guy for legal advise Michael Eagleson can explain how that works or has in the real world?
The whole ticket “quota” was simply a guideline. Those who were slugs turn it into a “quota” and see dollar signs and sue. Let’s face it, 200 tickets a month is minimum standards for a motor! That’s 10 cites a day which for a motor is nothing IF they are working. Those who don’t produce that are slugs. We all know, most motors have the tendency to be lazy and we all know they go out write their 10 cites a day In the First hour and then screw off for 9 hours! So for a supervisor to ask for improvement is exactly what he/she should be doing! If a motor can’t issue 200 cites in a month, they need to be rolled back to the jail! Want to ride a motor, then produce and stop being a whining bitch. Good day!
Ken on post 99 you are right on.
Wasn’t there a Triangle love affair that resulted in the deaths of all three? One was a Sergeant as I recall.
@102 yes there was, it happened in Phelan. Very tragic incident, remember that like it was yesterday. Double homicide/suicide.
Well James if your theory is true how come those who challenge the quota system get paid in civil actions?
If true looks like a potential “failure to supervise” issue. You should know that such issues must be progressive in correcting performance issues.
You forgot to include how many accident or MAIT reports these motor guys might take and be working on to complete in a timely manner.
You work traffic in your day James? How many tickets did you write? How many crashes did you take? MAIT investigation are LABOR intensive if done properly.
Patrol cops should be writing tickets to. I know many who NEVER wrote ONE ticket in their day and it was NEVER a issue in their evaluations.
I know a motor cop or two that would take exception to your “slug” comment.
By the way a slug should never call another a slug.
Hopefully James attorney Susan Coleman read your comments and will formulate a comprehensive defense strategy.
In fact didn’t you pull me out of traffic at Rancho because CERTAIN people in the community were getting tickets?
I noticed you sidestepped the ticket FIXING issue.
You should enlighten the readers and tell us how that is management peragative.
You like to talk real world then have at it!
Mills don’t be so stupid. You can’t have guidelines for tickets. It’s a quota! Maybe they will subpoena you on this and you can give these answers. Sounds like more ignorances from a dried up idiot or just another moron putting on his big boy pants . Fire McMahon!
@100 “Guideline” or “Goal”??? All you have to do is google “LAPD quota lawsuit” and you’ll find hundreds of articles that deal with this situation. Read a few of them. They tried to use the “guideline” and “goal” arguments and at this point they’re down over $10,000,000 with one or two lawsuits still pending.
When you set a specific number and back it up with threats of adverse employment actions if they don’t meet that number, then follow through on those threats, guess what, QUOTA.
VEHICLE CODE
SECTION 41600-41603
41600. For purposes of this chapter, “arrest quota” means any
requirement regarding the number of arrests made, or the number of
citations issued, by a peace officer, or parking enforcement
employee, or the proportion of those arrests made and citations
issued by a peace officer or parking enforcement employee, relative
to the arrests made and citations issued by another peace officer or
parking enforcement employee, or group of officers or employees.
41601. For purposes of this chapter, “citation” means a notice to
appear, notice of violation, or notice of parking violation.
41601.5. For purposes of this chapter, “agency” includes the
Regents of the University of California.
41602. No state or local agency employing peace officers or parking
enforcement employees engaged in the enforcement of this code or any
local ordinance adopted pursuant to this code, may establish any
policy requiring any peace officer or parking enforcement employees
to meet an arrest quota.
41603. No state or local agency employing peace officers or parking
enforcement employees engaged in the enforcement of this code shall
use the number of arrests or citations issued by a peace officer or
parking enforcement employees as the sole criterion for promotion,
demotion, dismissal, or the earning of any benefit provided by the
agency. Those arrests or citations, and their ultimate dispositions,
may only be considered in evaluating the overall performance of a
peace officer or parking enforcement employees. An evaluation may
include, but shall not be limited to, criteria such as attendance,
punctuality, work safety, complaints by citizens, commendations,
demeanor, formal training, and professional judgment.
Management has the option of doing a work performance contract for those slugs! If that wasn’t done looks like another problem for Lucia and Billings. Supervisors hate to do paper like anyone else, so cutting corners can be the norm.
Let’s talk about what can HAPPEN to you when you follow the LAWFUL direction of your superiors within SBSD!!
Two off duty deputies are drunk and passed out in a intersection of a busy street in their car, motor running. Someone calls the fire department thinking there is a medical issue. Fire department rolls, CHP is on scene a deputy arrives. Yep the off duty’s are drunk as skunks.
Everyone there knows what is suppose to happen. The deputy decides since he doesn’t know what to do asks the supervisor over the radio what to do. The supervisor who doesn’t believe in professional courtesy in these situations says ARREST them. Well that wasn’t what the deputy on scene wanted to hear. He wanted to hear TAkE them home.
Of course the dumbshit deputy didn’t realize was OTHERS like citizens might have heard the radio traffic over their scanners. DUH!!
Well the deputies are arrested but it causes a shit storm behind the scenes. I don’t know what the final outcome was criminally or administratively. Oh deputies were pissed at this supervisor. They were totally ignorant of the BIG picture.
Not a year later this same deputy gets stopped for DUI! The supervisor at that time drives the deputy home along with his car and puts the deputy to bed and tells him to go to sleep and NOT leave his house!
An hour later the drunk deputy got into his car drives and CRASHESinto another vehicle. No injuries.
Well the Deputy is arrested this time. I was working that night I didn’t handle the case someone else did. When I finally got to the station I looked at the deputy who was waiting for his station supervisor to arrive, I could not resist looking at him and saying, ” your really becoming a pain in the ass and creating serious grief for those who have to clean up your mess”.
The whiny bitch told his supervisor about my comment. Lieutenant Cliff Raynolds asked me if I said that? Sure did Lieutenant AND?
Captain Glenn Pratt was the Commander.
This fine deputy is now a Sergeant.
More to follow.
Joe Henry’s expertise is yet to be established by himself or his friends if he has any.
He falls somewhere between a Richard Beemer and Bob Fonzi self written expertise.
Maybe a Brian Wiiliams I was there theory!
Mills, how does it feel to be so dam stupid? Just curious if ignorance and stupidity is truly bliss….
Marnati and du duh dumbass
Quotas are one thing. Taking care of tickets is a another. LA Times from 2013. Last paragraph says it all.
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/10/opinion/la-ed-ticket-fixing-20130310
“But dismissing tickets purely as a favor to a friend, crony or high-ranking official is nothing but corruption. Not only does it cheat municipalities out of legitimate revenue and allow people who broke the rules — often safety rules — to go unpunished, but it means that the law is applied unequally. The state commission that removed the Orange County judge said that his misconduct created “both the appearance and reality of a two-track system of justice — one for his family and friends and another for all others.” And that’s really hard to fix.”
Not only will you write 200 tickets a month, be advised we will void out or FIX whatever ticket we don’t like.
109 tickets aren’t suppose to be about revenue but corrective action. Mills is an idiot! Fire McMahon!
Captain Pratt did do a good job of keeping Victorville station running smoothly in comparison to others after him. No question about that.
I mean the man more often than not rolled up his sleeves in or out of uniform and worked alongside the troops. He put the kabash on stupid crap real quick. He even put the leash on Lt. Cliff Reynolds from time to time. Reynolds is the true meaning of a evil weasel!
But at the end of the day when poop hit the fan and someone above him had their sights set on a employee, Pratt faded into the sunset. More than one copper called him spineless.
He went on to become Assistant Sheriff and some not so nice things came forth on his handling of employee matters. Seems he went with the flow and not against the grain. Oh well!!
Along comes Captain Mark Taylor. No cut above despite some of my pals suggesting otherwise. It was more about cool than a Oliver North hero’s war story.
So one morning on routine patrol I stopped a SBSD dispatcher for doing 80 mph in a 55 mph. She was no stranger or first time offender on bad driving habits. Not the first time being stopped by deputies either. Of course her sense of entitlement was glaring as hell. Oh yes had my tape recorder going and captured it all. PRICELESS
Unfortunately this dispatcher didn’t know I knew she had been stopped a couple of months earlier by a deputy for driving like a fool to work. That Deputy let her go.
This fine employee went to work LIED her ass off blaming the deputy for making her late. Yes the dispatch supervisor called over whining about that. Truth be told at the time of stop the dispatcher was already 5 minutes late.
So much for professional courtesy.
I ran this dispatchers driving record and she had 3 prior citations 2 for speeding.
Hmm prior record, serious attitude, lies on another traffic cop? PRESS hard 4 copies sweety. SEE you in court. Lie to the judge I’ll hook your ass for perjury was my thought.
True to form this dispatcher goes to work and whines to the other hens. Then she is dumb enough to send some not so nice comments to me on the computer.
I already informed the watch commander Sergeant Chris Elvert of the stop. Yeah he was one of those professional courtesy with impunity people. It was obvious he wasn’t happy. But that’s doesn’t mean squat at the end of the day.
After talking to him I go out to my unit and see the dispatchers not so nice comments. I go back inside the station drag Elvert out to look at the computer. Uh oh now he is forced to handle the obvious problem.
It’s just a couple days later during a staff meeting this incident comes up. Elvert tells Captain Taylor I support Holtz in what he did, but I would have warned her or reported it to her supervisor.
According to TWO Sergeants Taylor barked at Elvert saying, ” what are you saying Chris, we should allow our employees to speed and drive drunk”? Taylor said in addition, SHE has nothing coming!
Elvert said nothing else. Poor Chris!!!
It was less than 24 hours later that I stop and arrest Deputy Rick Runstrom for DUI! Yep the same shit storm went county wide thanks to those sweet girls at Sheriffs Dispatch. It is what it is. Been there done that before Runstrum.
Bottom line where was Taylor and Pratt in all this. Sitting back at letting it happen because those above them were pissed off.
I think Mohler and Wetmore have similar and most likely better war stories than that.
Before you open your mouth Joe Henry some hero from Internal Affairs ratted everyone out.
My point you can’t trust these spineless supervisors no matter what the scenario.
So that bogus posting the Marhoefers created suggesting I sat outside the Sheriffs Dispatch center is about as much a pile of shit as Jon Marhoefers himself.
Now McMahon you get busy and make your bones in a public trial Mr. Traffic expert. I’ll buy you a steak dinner and let you berate me and not say a word!
HaHaHa good luck on that……
Mills can’t even answer #108, what makes you think he will let McNut get clowned in court
Classic Kenny! All about doing the right thing. Anti-corruption in his own mind. Those who know and worked with Kenny knows he often made mistakes and didn’t “do the right thing”. Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw rocks Ken! A classic example of spin. God bless.
Tell us about the mistakes Joe? You a little intoxicated today and feeling brave?
There you have, Classic Mills, NO ANSWERS, just try to discredit the messenger……… You read it here first…
Mills = NO COMMENT for the INDEFENSIBLE
Mills attempt to discredit anything or anyone is nothing less than pathetic.
Mills is probably McMahons old lady.
OOF. When they are acquitted then talk your smack. As I’ve said they will either be found guilty or take a plea. All the Motions in the world be either side won’t change this simple but true fact. God bless.
#119 it’s all rhetoric to mills, but it’s funny things just keep happening every where. None of which is in favor of his friends or should I say very little. I don’t think mills even registers on the credibility index.
Mills never brings anything to the table. Fire McMahon!
I am beginning to think Mills is the Al Sharpton for the Sheriff.
Is McMahon related to that sheriff in San Francisco?
Observer of Facts
“I look forward to the prosecution finally starting to prove their case.”
So do many other people, some more than others.
I believe some pretty cool smack talking will take place in the near future.
Seeing certain people on the witness stand for the first time in their life or career after years of their smack talking will be better than a super bowl game.
I believe it will be better than reading the Rod Hoops deposition.
Might be better than the congressional hearings on Benghazi. Watching Trey Gowdy pound the politically elite clowns is quite educational.
At least we will get to see how many TRUNK MONKEYS the other side brings out. Ha ha ha ha!!!!
Hey Joe Henry check this video out it involves bicycles.
City of Gardena. Indicted Undersheriff Paul Tanaka Country.
They paid out $4.7 million and tried to keep this video under raps. Federal Judge said NO!!
Videos like this are going viral.
https://www.facebook.com/CopBlock/posts/10153559931583189
Word coming out of Victorville is a lot of people are unhappy. They effectively got rid of the traffic division, ostensibly while they sort out the hostile work environment stuff. The problem is, now the only personnel taking traffic accident reports are the SSS’s, who are also getting slammed with patrol calls. Patrol personnel are responding to accidents but the word is they are not taking reports, even on injury accidents. They are giving out CAD incident numbers, which is clearly a violation of policy and the law. The staff are also playing a shell game of sorts. To make the City think they still have dedicated traffic enforcement, they are making a patrol deputy a traffic car (17X) each shift instead of a rover unit (17R). However, the 17X unit is told he/she is still a rover unit and is responding to patrol calls and not doing traffic.
Numerous studies have shown that strong law enforcement visibility and traffic enforcement equals fewer, accidents, injuries and deaths. The studies are out there. Google it. The City of Victorville has had ZERO traffic enforcement for the past month.
If I were on the city council, I’d wanna know how many traffic accidents of all types were reported since the motors were disbanded (CAD incidents). I’d then want to know how many actual accident reports were taken (DR’s). If someone looked at DR’s alone, it would look like the number of traffic accidents has gone down, when in fact, it’s only the number of reports taken that has gone down.
Another angle on this whole thing is revenue. Despite what some people think, citations are issued to correct improper driving, not generate revenue, although as a byproduct, they do generate revenue for the city.
You had 5 motors writing probably around and average of 150 cites a month each. That’s 750 a month at an average of $200 each in fines and fees. That’s $150,000 a month. The city probably sees half of that so while the department dicks around with these guys, the City of Victorville is losing about $75K a month. I bet they’re real happy about that.
Screwing with the motor officers is clearly more important to the executive staff than the safety and wellbeing of the citizens of Victorville and providing a service that the City of Victorville contracted for.
Your spot on 129.
Even with everything running smooth with all motors, a couple of DUI units and the SSS’s, it’s still difficult to keep your head above water on traffic issues in the high desert.
Interesting false narrative to have X-ray (traffic unit) on the air but their not working traffic.
Oh I bet the patrol folks are having fits running around pulling cars apart.
Sure seems the toilet has over flowed!!
The issue is this. The City is paying for a certain number of personnel. Traffic, patrol, sec., etc. If they are not receiving them and the Victorville station is hiding this in some means then the city needs to request a refund from the contract.
Second issue is are SSS’s doing the job of a traffic unit? If so then that weak organization you have as a union needs to insert themselves and put a stop to it. Good luck getting them to do anything.
#130 it sounds like McMahon is not being honest with the citizens in Victorville. It seems he has a track record with not telling the truth or is it just Mills?
LOL 131, that weak Union isn’t going to do anything but pander to McMahon we all know that, it’s well established at this point.
Let’s see what SEBA does if that pending court decision on unions goes in favor of members not being forced to pay union dues.
@132 is there ANY doubt on the lack of honesty from either individual at this time? LOL!
I hear Gocke and McMahon are tight!
Drysdale- why must you continue to throw me down in every one of your comments. I’m sorry you got called out and fired from the department for being a slug. Take your monetary settlement and declare a victory. You actually saved the county millions. I hear security at the mall is hiring. You have the qualifications to issue warning cites.
#134 I call out your weak and drunk ass because that’s what you are. Weak and worthless like your daddy McMahon.
Fire McMahon!
I’m sure you are loving life drunk and dumb.
I wonder if Gocke and Mills are drinking buddy’s? Maybe this is where Mills gets his keyboard bravado.