Sunday, May 15, 2016 – 10:00 a.m.
I routinely get myriad emails over issues in San Bernardino County, the local government’s operations in general
The latest one, arriving Friday evening, caught my attention and is deserving of short commentary.
Here’s the email:
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“Check this crap out!!
I’m not sure if you would be interested in following up on this or not, but aren’t their violations of using your position for your own personal gain? It appears that Lauren (Leichleiter) is whining because he can’t get promoted so now all the sudden he wants to use the power of SEBA and the ability to distribute all this promotion info for his potential future lawsuits for nepotism and favoritism in an unfair promotional policy. Funny how he didn’t give a shit about the welfare anyone else before it directly effected him”
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This move, for a union that agreed to eliminate the competency examination for promotion to the rank of Sheriff’s Lieutenant, is interesting.
Look. It’s no secret the Sheriff’s Department is plagued with cronyism and nepotism within its ranks and promotional process. It’s one of the key reasons for the current long-running and highly-publicized ineptitude.
An ineptitude that’s been created by the ‘Good Ole Boys Network’ way of promoting from within.
Yes. The promotion system is unfair. It’s not based on merit, skill and experience. But instead on who one knows, and just how well one, to be candid here, kisses ass.
In other words. All of the competent and experienced leader-quality types have been driven, either to other agencies or into retirement.
The days of promoting competent and well-deserving (meaning experience at actually performing a breadth of law enforcement duties) vanished long ago.
If this is about the union president not getting promoted, then it’s misguided.
Anyone who runs to be president of any union, especially SEBA, shouldn’t even delude themselves with the idea of promotion.
It’s a sacrifice or choice one must make.
The union’s primary function is to collective bargain, enforce it’s contracts, and defend its members. At least that’s how it’s supposed to be.
Any other considerations, including self-promotion, is secondary.
All that results from this illusion is the rank and file membership is sold down the proverbial river.
If this is what’s taking place then it’s a tragedy.
Lauren has had his head up McMahon’s rectum since he was appointed sheriff. He made sure the union bathed McMahon with money. Now you’re crying. You are an idiot and loser. Resign and go back to the jail crybaby. McMahon is a turd and will never change his smell.
Lauren sold plenty of deputies out, sent them down the river without support from SEBA or LDF, with the hopes of gaining favor from his daddy McMahon. Well poor baby, it didn’t work out quite like you hoped. That’s what you get for having people like Bracco and Eagleson by your side, bound to get a skid mark on you from those 2 giant turds.
That’s the system Lauren, get over it……..
LMAO, Karma is such a you know what….
Laurens famous reply, “that’s the rules”….ha ha ha ha, funny how when the rules effect him, all a sudden he want’s change.
Lauren, suck it up punk
So if every member fills this survey out with a negative response what is SEBA going to do at the end of the day?
Take this to McMahon and in a politically correct manner have another discussion? LMAO good idea.
Lauren hasn’t learned much as a cop or as SEBA President. Damn sure hasn’t learned much in the last 3 years.
Selling out members like no body’s business. Most recent was the ticket quota cops.
That’s ok Lauren, YOU and some of your pals have another 600lb elephant moving into view very soon. It will be ugly and you’re going to have your ass handed to you like never before.
If you try and defend yourself like you tried to punk the CEO it will be a cake walk in taking you down. It may be more fun than the LDF/Porac debacle with LDME. Wasn’t that a hilarious ending after all that drum beating by the EXPERT labor representatives?
You tried playing both sides of the fence so often you screwed yourself and the dog!
Going from Sergeant to LT should require something other than the sergeant turning in a resume and his captain and lieutenant writing a promotional evaluation of him. Everyone knows that once those evaluations get to the executive staff, they adjust the evaluation sheets, moving the 1-5 ratings up or down as necessary, so that their boys (or girls) end up where they want them. This is a fact. These forms are filled out in pencil.
It’s the same with deputies going to detective and detectives going to sergeant. I have sat in on many promotional evaluation meetings. I have filled out many promotional evaluation forms. We are told they must be filled out in pencil. I have turned in promotion evaluations and have been told later the station captain or a deputy chief lowered the score on deputy/detective A and increased it on deputy/detective B. It happens every year.
When you’re trying to go from Sergeant to Lieutenant, there is no way you’re going to get it if your LT, captain or chief has a grudge, even if you are the most qualified. This is what leads to all the sucking up, corruption and lack of integrity. People play the game because they know if they don’t or if they make a stand against a LT or captain who’s doing something wrong, they’re fucked.
Once you become a LT or above, you are an administrator. You need to have the qualifications of one. We are the ONLY large department in the SoCal area that does not have at least a written test or oral board for sergeants wanting to make LT. If you doubt it, call around and do a survey. I know of someone who went to SLI and his class had 22 different agencies represented. SBSD was the only one that didn’t have a written or oral board to make LT.
You should be able to read. You should be able spell. You should be able to punctuate. You should be able to make oral presentations and articulate your thoughts without sounding like a dumbass. You should be familiar with leadership principles. You should be able to interact with city managers (remember, you’re the chief/assistant chief of police of your contract city) on the same level. You are an administrator.
The current system allows the sheriff to promote VERY unqualified individuals because they’re his good old boys (or girls…read D. Boldt). If there was a written test and oral board in place, I would venture to guess almost half of the current LT’s and captains would still be sergeants.
Getting promoted to LT should look something like this:
1. Written test encompassing grammar, punctuation, law enforcement knowledge, leadership principles, etc. and a written essay on a law enforcement or leadership subject (essay graded by an English teacher).
2. Three panel oral board (1 from SBSD, 1 from an allied agency and 1 civilian. We send personnel to sit on other agencies oral boards).
3. Once you make it past the first two, then you turn in your resume and get the station eval.
4. Scores are tabulated independently (to keep the executive staff from changing things up to take care of their chosen ones) and sergeants are ranked. A slot opens up and you get it, unless there’s a good reason to pass you over.
Another thing, you want to make it to LT and beyond, get a college education. You should have at least an AA to be an LT and a BA to get to captain and higher. Like I said, you are an administrator.
@5 interesting commentary.
Why am I not shocked to hear SBSD is the ONLY agency to have the promotional system it does?
@3 also interesting Lauren says, “that’s the rules”.
I didn’t know cronyism and nepotism had rules attached? Official rules that would stand up in court!
Wonder what he says about policy violations and crimes being committed against members in the course of Internal Affairs investigations?
Wonder what he says about SEBA lawyers who allow Internal Affairs investigators to commit crimes during a investigation or Civil Service hearing?
If Lauren wanted to attack the promotional system he could have done that using the promotions out of Internal Affairs alone to make a case. What is it about 90% of Internal Affairs people who get promoted out of that Division?
How many of them get caught lying under oath? Fabricating evidence? Concealing exculpatory evidence? Then getting promoted?
It would be difficult for SEBA to argue this since SEBA got caught feeding information to Internal Affairs and condoning criminal misconduct by their silence at minimum.
How does one seek relief from the Courts with “unclean hands”?
So Lauren and crew has AGAIN opted to WHINE to its members asking their assistance in a survey that looks more like its self serving.
SEBA has already tried pandering the public in attempts to put pressure on elected officials to get them a pay raise.
Funny how SEBA sucked up to those running for office when they did campaign mailers showing their former President in custody doing the perp walk in the Central Courthouse.
How has that worked out for you Lauren to date sucking Big Chief James Ramos’s butt? You all still playing golf with him? YOU Sho gots no money or stripes!
You making David Ellis work for his money?
You plan on sucking up to who in the 1st District Supervisors race?
Nice circular firing squad you created for yourself and the membership.
Thank GOD you weren’t leading the charge against those two terrorists in San Bernardino.
Lauren didn’t learn anything about promotions from his cousin William Abernathy now did he? Abernathy had to sue to become a sergeant. Then Abernathy sold his soul to try and get lieutenant. We should include Lauren’s other cousin Kenny Lutz. The boy is blind to history before his very eyes. The movie dumb and dummer comes to mind.
They had a chance to change this during the last election.Look. It’s no secret the Sheriff’s Department is plagued with cronyism and nepotism within its ranks and promotional process. It’s one of the key reasons for the current long-running and highly-publicized ineptitude. No shit Sherlock. Then why does this Department continue to elect the fake people from within?
SBSD continued doing the same thing over and over again expecting change. That’s stupid.
During the next election dump McMahon or maybe the FBI will hook him up prior to that.
We have a lot of great people marking time due to inept so called leaders.
Hard for SEBA to take McMahon on about his policies which haven’t changed from the last two Sheriffs since SEBA has supported them all. SEBA supposedly put McMahon on notice long ago. Some thing like Obama drawing a line in the sand with Syria. Nothing like allowing your opposition to get entrenched. Maybe that’s the problem with Lauren no military experience. Bottom line the SEBA board has done nothing but run their mouth and write checks to those that pander them. Rick Roelle and Bill Holland better start humping Lauren’s leg for some cash. Oh wait everyone in office is now supporting Lovingood. Maybe iepolitics can unseat Lovingood? We all know the wrath from that place. Let’s all pee into the wind again. Who said Lamberto was a prostitute lover? I know a prostitute.
SEBA had chance at change when Hoops “retired”. They knew what he did and yet backed the next chosen one along with the BOS who is now writing checks when they knew they were appointing more of the same. Now Laren is whining while anyone paying attention is laughing at him. The sad thing is it’s the members that pay for that fool’s behavior.
Marnati is a text book example of how high an illiterate baboon can go from butt sucking alone
@5,
That’s what a successful, no, a professional agencies promotional process would look like.
I am laughing that most people here called him Lauren. It’s Laren. What a useless tool that nobody remembers his name.
How can SEBA fix a flawed promotional system when it is an inherently flawed union?
#11 Marnati and textbook in the same sentence? That’s funny in and of itself. He heads the list of guys who should have never gone beyond sergeant based on illiteracy alone. Unfortunately, there have been so many promotions to LT and above of individuals who would not qualify under a real promotion system that the department is going to be handicapped for many years until these guys retire.
@15
That’s a good point, you got me there, MARNATI barely made it past the cat n the hat.
Lauren female spelling.
#7, The truth is you’d never make anything higher than a deputy. You have no clue how to spell. It’s Laren and it’s Abernathie. Before you go after somebody, learn who it is you’re going after…SMH
Giving Laren and his cronies the benefit of the doubt on their outrageous handling of union affairs across the board. Sheriff McMahon still has the upper hand and it’s just not because he is the Sheriff.
SEBA couldn’t successfully sue the County on promotional issues and not be attacked for their own ineptness and failures to act by County lawyers. Hmm who has the most mud to sling?
SEBA may have truck loads of mud but they should have dumped it long ago or at least periodically to appear to be on their game.
Now it will be like the Mafia Underboss Sammy Grivano calling John Gotti a criminal.
We all know how Sammy and John were partners in crime for a decade or more. How long has Laren supported the Sheriffs conduct? Long time.
All I see is a mud slinging contest if push comes to shove. Make no mistake SEBA has supported Human Resources in their endeavors for a long time.
So how does SEBA go beyond their survey? The BOS and CEO have circled the wagons around the Sheriff and District Attorney at this stage of the game.
In order to gain ground on your cause one would have to attack the Sheriff and Executive Staff on the nepotism and cronyism.
I can’t see that happening with Laren or Eagleson as the messenger. Eagleson has been in bed with the others so long he wouldn’t dare try becoming the Knight in shining armor and expect to survive.
But one person I hope in the near future will take SEBA apart in court.
They will have a few witnesses if needed to methodically dismantled or refute any dismal defense on their conduct.
Yep Laren gets an A plus for creating this cluster.
Laren can’t touch the Sheriff and he won’t be able to defend a serious up coming battle.
Laren do what Abernathy did. Resign and spend more time with your family.
Those lawyers working for you now will get hosed like William J. Hadden did. You can take that to the bank.
My humble apology for misspelling of names. It is Laren and Abernathie! My bad!
Why now is this such an issue? This system has been in effect for the past 20 years. It has been discussed numerous times with SEBA yet they have refused to do anything to correct this issue.
Approximately one year ago both Laren and Eagleson were asked about the promotional system and they both said that the VAST majority of the employees within the department like the current system.
The only people who like the current system are individuals who know how to play the games, suck the butt and do as I say not as I do game.
The biggest reason why the department is having issues like in Apple Valley and Victorville is because of the promotions that have been made. Does anybody realize that both the Lt and Captain at the Victorville Station have the same ankle tattoo?
Is all of this due to the most recent promotion to Sgt. Someone who has never worked a day in a patrol car or investigated a criminal case is now telling boot deputies at the jail how to be a real deputy.
Well Laren we have news for you. For years now people have been dying in group 1 year after year only to watch people get promoted from group 3 or 4. Here’s a clue for you if you are able to get into group 1 something tells me you have a little more on the ball than the person in group 3 or group 4.
But remember the excuse you always hear. “We don’t know what group a person is in; we only get the names”. Let me see now, if Jim Jones is on the first list you get and six lists later is still on the list but now Sam Smith’s name appears on list six do you think that Jim Jones may have done better on the process then Sam did? Yea I forgot the list is given to you in alphabetically order not by someone’s score. Now that makes sense. Let’s punish a person for having a name at the bottom of the alphabet and reward one who’s name is at the top. Maybe if the people making these decisions knew how to investigate a crime and did not get a promotion because of being a kiss ass maybe this would make sense.
Someone told me the other day about a female that got promoted to detective and sent immediately to public affairs. Then from public affairs went to intel. Now her job is to follow McMahon around to make sure nobody wants to do harm to him. Since when can’t the Sheriff take care of himself. What did they take his gun away? Now you mean to tell me that this detective will not get promoted to Sgt within the next year or two. Yet this person has not even made it to a station to investigate a crime. Or are there any bets that the female Sgt now assigned to Sacramento will make Lt before ever spending as much as one day at a station as a Sgt. Remember she went to that position straight out of the jail. Any guesses on what experience got her that job? Or how about the current Captain being accused of DUI and other crimes. No investigations into those issues. She was a turd as a deputy, a do nothing as a detective, a waste as a Sgt., a moron as a Lt and now is a Captain. From what everyone says she is one hell of a rodeo event coordinator. Great qualifications to be a Captain. Makes people wonder what other qualifications she processes to get so high within the organization.
Rumor is the Lt at Victorville is retiring within the next couple of weeks. Like someone said the FBI makes house calls. Yea they do but Internal Affairs doesn’t and a retired employee can tell them to go pound sand. Is this the game that is going to be played? Or does the department want this individual to retire so that no heat is brought down on him and he opens up about his days in internal affairs. One must remember you are handpicked and chosen to go to internal affairs with a 95% chance of leaving there with a promotion.
As far as the FBI goes rumor is they have been looking into the department for a long time. Even before the POST issue. All I can say is I believe that about as much as someone saying the forecast for San Bernardino tomorrow is -10 with 6 feet of snow. The employees of this department have been handing them crap on a silver platter for years that a rookie agent could make a name for himself in just a couple of months with nothing being done.
Do people forget about the Lt who manhandled the female deputy in court services. That Lt made a career out of being interviewed by internal affairs. More than likely has received the most time off than any other person in the department for disciplinary actions yet somehow has made it all the way to a Lt. s position within the department. Now let’s see the hands of the individuals who do not think that this deputy is not going to get a seven-digit settlement from the department when all is said and done. He got 30 more days off, and kept his rank, so what can the department say, “Oh he didn’t do anything wrong, we just gave him a 30-day vacation because of the stress this made up incident caused him”.
When is somebody going to force the county to open their books and show the public how much money has been spent by the Sheriff’s Department over the past several years on lawsuits settled with criminals and employees for wrong doing?
Recently the Sheriff sent out a flyer supporting Lovingood for supervisor. I guess I would too if the board gave me and my staff a 10% raise over a three-year period but do not see fit to give my deputies a 9% raise over the same time period. Guess this tells you were your loyalties are.
The only way this is ever going to stop is by bringing in an outsider with a huge broom. But then again we all know that within the next four to five years you will be saying “Yes Sir Sheriff Dicus”.
@21 well said.
The system was challenged by William Abernathie, he and a couple others got promoted through court action before it went all the way.
But I figure you already knew that.
Court action should have continue as needed from there is my only point.
Nice overview of the recent non sense!
Anonymous on May 16th, 2016 11:37 pm
#7 (#21,22 ETC.) has never worked as a real cop. Just a gas bag wuss.
So Victorville Lt. Lindsey Savage is a shark? So he and Captain Lucia are running things like the old days? Remember dickheads that undersheriff in LA got punked for his Viking tattoo from 25 years previous.
#18 Loren now suck it fat boy
The department has a lot of good, hardworking men and women on it. Many of them deserve to move up in the ranks. There are also some great Lieutenants, Captains, and Deputy Chiefs who deserve to be where they’re at. Unfortunately there are also a lot of incompetent, unethical, dishonest ones who have been promoted to higher ranks. McMahon has had a hand in many of these promotions and the current state of the department rests solely on him.
It will be interesting to see what transpires over the rest of 2016 as the pressure intensifies, stress levels increase, people start rethinking their own priorities, lines are drawn, friendships and alliances are formed and broken and a lot of retirements occur.
Shortly after McMahon was appointed to replace Hoops in 2012, I heard him say he planned to be sheriff for 10 years. His current term ends in 2018. Prediction…he will be a one term Sheriff and he will not finish that one term.
The real storm has yet to hit, but it will.
#26 McMahon should’ve never been appointed. They should’ve appointed a temporary sheriff to fill the term and allow others to run. McMahon would’ve lost and moved to Iowa. As long as the board appoints this place will be f$&k up. Hoops another example of a lost cause. Very little of the brass may be trusted. Sorry but true.
Who is going to trust SEBA at this point and support some thing that goes against the system? Are you kidding me? Their helping members is beyond a joke. Cosmetic at best. Like being a victim of a aggravated assault the cops show up when called and take a report. That’s it. That idiot who called himself Boot that came in here a told every one we must come together to effect change. Those motor cops came together and SEBA shit on them. Fuck SEBA and their board. Fuck Mike Eagleson and that LGBT clown he works with. I hope Jim Erwin sues the crap out of them.
Hey now the free lunches at the SEBA meetings are pretty good. I love pizza.
If McMahon is a one term Sheriff, between now and the 1st week of December he will announce his resignation. If he waits until 2017 for the announcement, then the board of supervisors must call for an election.
I wonder how different this list is going to look a year from now. My guess is a few of these guys are going to jump ship, including at least 2 of the top 3, when the heat is turned up and things start to unravel. If you’re on this list and reading this, remember, Baca is not going to jail for the things he did, he’s going to jail for lying when questioned about his knowledge of events. Is your loyalty to your lying, corrupt, unethical, no integrity peers or is it to your family, reputation and future after you retire from the department.
McMahon
Cusimano
Williams
Dicus
Kovensky
Higgins
Torrres
Garland
Wickum
Guillen
Don’t forget the SEBA board voted their VP Sergeant Phil Dupper off the board because he didn’t want to play dirty. SEBA blocked Travis Bauer from becoming a stiation representative because he to was outspoken. Can’t have that now can we?
Surprised to read Dupper wouldn’t play dirty… He must have kearned a lesson from the last time he did. Good for him.
34 everyone has a line they won’t cross. Around here it varies greatly. Those names in post 34 are a little dense at this point. They are rolling the dice.
@33
Don’t forget they did it to him 2x…..
Eagleson and Beefbutt played changing the rules after a station vote elected him…..
Then at the direction of Marnati, butt chin Bracco, jumped into action, chin spread wide, and blocked him from the board….. Then Bracco lied about it on the stand…. That’s who SEBA thinks is a good SEBA leader….. That should say it all
Bauers case exposed a lot of bs in many different ways. But there are other cases that drives that case home. Another pending case will expose how corrupt the entire county is. Nice thing is no body can do a damn thing about it.
This is absolutely classic and something that needs to be done with the County of San Bernardino legal counsel, its top county dept admin, sheriffs brass, and SEBA……
“Judge orders ethics classes for ‘deceptive’ DOJ attorneys”
I love the red warning at the top of the survey. No retaliation in SBSD right? But if it does happen for participating in lawful union activity, SEBA will do what for you?
@39,
I know exactly what they will do…….NOTHING, unless you count them giving you the phone numbers to County HR, DFEH/EEOC, and saying, “sorry, good luck, we don’t do lawsuits”……
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Some very interesting comments regarding SEBA.
If and when they are put into the spotlight in a more official setting, their pattern and practices of the last 5 years or so is going to be telling and not in a favorable way.
The evidence of their collusion with certain county officials in the administration of justice will be damning to SEBA’s credibility for a long time.
It’s nice to know if and when this happens it will take place in a Federal Court house taking away ANY possible shenanigans from local judges.
I look forward to seeing SEBA’s defense to some of their recent actions that show their pattern of partaking in the conspricacy to violate one’s civil rights and covering up and ignoring criminal misconduct by those SEBA contributes to with heavy campaign contributions.
I do believe it will be as easy as Mrs. Parkinson outing former Sheriff Rod Hoops.
Continue down your path Laren it appears many are watching.
Your heavy hitters are WHO?
#40 SEBA tried to nail the CEO for supporting the prostitute solicitor general Alberto Lombarto. SEBA is still in the corner licking themselves on that defeat.
My name is Tim Quick and this will be my one and only post.
I put this survey together because I thought it was the right thing to do. I feel strongly that the promotional system at the Sheriff’s Department is flawed. I know this isn’t breaking news, but I wanted to do something about it. I am no stranger to standing up for what I believe in and this is something I feel is worth addressing.
I took my concerns to SEBA and they told me it was an issue that has been raised several times in the past, but people had never been willing to put their name on it. Well I’m putting my name on this. I asked for help and was given help. After a couple discussions with people at SEBA, I decided to try to gather information regarding the problem from the perspective of those affected. I wanted to present it to the E-Board with not just a problem, but also possible solutions. I felt the best way to do this (without forcing others to “out” themselves) was to create an anonymous survey and ask SEBA to send it to the membership.
I made the document you see posted above… This was not SEBA, I made it as a draft to take to the SEBA E-Board for their input and (hopefully) approval.
I sent this draft to a few people I trusted for their input and guidance, as well as to the individual members of the E-Board.
Now it’s here. I am deeply saddened my trust was betrayed. To the person who sent this as a “juicy tip” to further their personal agenda against SEBA and specifically Laren… You are an ass and complete moron… You single handedly undermined what I was trying to do. I wanted to gather honest input to help bolster my case… instead, you made it into a mockery and decimated any chance I had to get honest input from other hard working deputy sheriffs.
To the people on here who seem they can’t wait to attack Laren or anything SEBA affiliated… please shift your hatred and anger toward me… I did this. I was told about this post shortly after it went up. I went to Laren and the rest of the E-Board and told them it was here. I apologized to Laren. I did not mean for this to happen… he did not deserve this attack. I told him that I would post here and set the record straight, but he told me to let it go. I respect that, but I can’t. That’s not me. I feel terrible.
If you have positive information to combat this situation please text me or call and I’ll be happy to meet up with you… 9512063575
My name is Timothy Quick and this will be my one and only post.
I put this survey together because I thought it was the right thing to do. I feel strongly about the promotional system at the Sheriff’s Department and believe it is flawed. I know this isn’t breaking news, but I wanted to do something about it. I am no stranger to standing up for what I believe in and this is something I feel is worth addressing.
I took my concerns to SEBA and they told me it was an issue that has been raised several times in the past, but people had never been willing to put their name on it. Well because of circumstance, I’m willing. I asked for help and was given help. After a couple discussions with people at SEBA, I decided to try to gather information regarding the problem from the perspective of those affected. I wanted to present it to the E-Board with not just a problem, but also possible solutions. I felt the best way to do this (without forcing others to “out” themselves) was to create an anonymous survey and ask SEBA to send it to the membership.
I made the document you see posted above… This was not SEBA, I made it as a draft to take to the SEBA E-Board for their input and (hopefully) approval.
I sent this draft to a few people I trusted for their input and guidance, as well as to the individual members of the E-Board.
Now it’s here. I am deeply saddened my trust was betrayed. To the person who sent this as a “juicy tip” to further their personal agenda against SEBA and specifically Laren… You are an ass and complete moron… You single handedly undermined what I was trying to do. I wanted to gather honest input to help bolster my case… instead, you made it into a mockery and decimated any chance I had to get honest input from other hard working deputy sheriffs.
To the people on here who seem they can’t wait to attack Laren or anything SEBA affiliated… please shift your hatred and anger toward me… I did this. I was told about this post shortly after it went up. I went to Laren and the rest of the E-Board and told them it was here. I apologized to Laren. I did not mean for this to happen… he did not deserve this attack. I told him told I would post here and set the record straight, but he told me to let it go. I respect that, but can’t. I feel terrible.
I’d you have anything that would help my case, feel free to contact me… 9512063575
Tim looks like he has fallen victim to the lies and rumors of this blog. Thanks for standing up Tim. It’s nice that people will call bullshit to the few that like to post it here. This is just another example of how the disgruntled will take any piece of a document and spin it to fit their agenda of hate and discontent against the department. Well mr. Holtz and the others, MR. Quick just Crapped on your parade. Have a great weekend.
Some one didn’t do their homework on SEBA before they wrote this novel. Betrayed? Go talk to some motor cops maybe they can offers some free lessons on betrayal.
There’s Mills again, ready to bob on the knob every chance he can. Mills, do you always sit down to pee? Just curious because unlike mr. Quick who you’re so quick to praise no pun intended you never stand up and take his side or position when the facts are clearly against you. You’re spineless so if I was quick I wouldn’t give a rat’s ass about you praising me. Quick on the other hand fails realize that once again it’s someone other than Laren and Eagleson taking action.
Well, as the union leadership loves so much, a young and naive member of SEBA, who have never experienced what a real union is, is clueless. You have allowed the likes of useless people like Mills, Eaglesen, Laren, Boot, and probably Bracco, to distort what the purpose of a UNION is. Erwin knows very well,and touched on it briefly here.
Quick, a simple piece of advice, its NOT YOUR JOB TO CHANGE THE PROMOTION SYSTEM, ITS SEBA’s. Your own words should have given you pause, “I took my concerns to SEBA and they told me it was an issue that has been raised several times in the past, but people had never been willing to put their name on it”.
Do yourself a favor, pick up the bylaws, stop whining, read the sections and you will soon realize a glaring problem. ISSUES EFFECTING THE MEMBERSHIP AS A WHOLE, now for you 1 more time, ISSUES EFFECTING THE MEMBERSHIP AS A WHOLE, (dO YOU wanna debate whether or not promotions effect the membership as a whole?) are SEBA’s responsibility, not AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS. So before you start popping off like you know something, do your homework.
Your ambition is appreciated, but going into something half cocked isn’t too smart.
Joe if you ever want to crap on MY parade, YOU will have to come out from behind the keyboard and face off like a man.
Then you can sit on the witness stand and tell your tails and adventures as a crime fighting machine. Juries do feel sorry for old men as long as dementia isn’t present.
Isn’t it IRONIC that all those experienced SEBA members, overpaid labor representatives, a TEAM of long time POLICE/LABOR attorneys COULD NOT figure how to do a ANONYMOUS survey from its members?
NO BODY outted Quick on diddle shit. I didn’t see his name on it.
SEBA had to call him and tell him his survey was being trashed? Sounds like SEBA is crying again like they did about the CEO. They SCREWED that up big time.
It’s also obvious Mr. Quick has NOT read or HEARD about the dozens of FUCK UPS his union has been involved in and verified their credibility before he launched his statement.
It’s obvious Mr. Quick KNOWS about retaliation he felt the need to be anonymous in the survey.
Fear retaliation for LAWFUL Union activity????
Hmm maybe if SEBA had a ZERO tolerance for ANY retaliation and did something other than talk and SET a tone and standard LONG ago we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Now Joe, go put your little Mr. Johnson back in your pants and quit peeing into the wind. Your pants should still be wet from the Angela Valles debacle.
Refer post 46 for the short version of look before you leap!
SEBA doesn’t mind letting the unknowing walk into an ambush. They do it all the time. This was a classic example. SMH. No wonder the BOS laughs at them.
Can someone show some support to this man instead of lobbing shots at the usual people on the other side? Seriously, the guy showed guts coming on here using his name, something very few people do, and nobody has said anything constructive or helpful. It’s pathetic.
WOW! That’s the second time in a week some one thought they would come in here and school the veterans and impress the masses. Only one impressed is Mills. Talk about one getting their butt handed to them.
51….excellent point. That is why it is so blatelently obvious who the haters are! They are so disgruntled that they can’t see what Mr. Quick has said and done. They just continue to bash. Just like when anybody comes on here and tells the truth contrary to their agenda. The likes of Mr. Holtz permeate what is wrong with today’s society. A bunch of people who do not hold themselves accountable and like to blame others. Mr. Quick, my hats off to you for telling the truth and standing up for what is right. You are the definition of honorable and these others are deplorable. God bless the vets!
Joe why didn’t you say good job on your first post? Had to wait for someone else to inspire you?
Let the record reflect the blogs were started for people just LIKE you. The inept managers who speak and respond to issues with a flip flop approach just like you did in this post.
Have you figured out yet why you haven’t been banned?
Well if I am what’s wrong with today’s society YOU failed to take me out in a timely manner. You and the rest of the clowns you ran with.
So hold yourself accountable.
Don’t you wish you were a vet?
Now why don’t you call up Mr. Quick and give him some support and school him on us etc.
Continue on with your community service.
Let us know when the FBI contacts you. They will be remiss if they don’t.
You are SBSD’s in house NSA!
Hahahahahahahahahah,
MILLS your such a clown
SEBA can’t get crap done, they screw their members over. The sheriff can’t do anything right costing taxpayers millions, is under FBI investigation. The district attorney can’t prosecute a gangbanger or political corruption without stepping on his dork, but some how that comes back to a few on this blog. That’s some funny shit.
@53, Mills, my comment included you. You said nothing constructive and won’t even admit that promotions are a problem in the department you will defend even when confronted with proof and documents.
LMAO Joe, #51 &57 was talking to YOU too.
You received a meritorious service award from who? Bland or Tidwell?
Hook up with Valles and Roelle and make a brain.
Okay here we go again. The only way you are going to have a union that supports you is
A. Elect someone who does not give a crap and that management hates and cringes at the mention of their name or
B. Go outside of the department and hire someone that owes nothing to anyone.
The way that promotions are done in the department are a joke but it has been going on for the past twenty years. Year after year you hear the same story …. people testing and coming out in group 1 and getting passed over for people in group 2, 3 or sometimes 4. It does not take a brain surgeon to figure out that someone in Group 1 just may be more qualified for the promotion than someone who scored a score that is lower than the Group 1 individual.
One must ask how in the hell does someone who has never made it to the streets, taken a report or testified in court scores high enough on their evaluation to even be considered for a promotion. Maybe it has to do with her daddy’s last name…. Huff.
Do any of these names sound familiar to you? Fisher, Futcher, Daniels, Peppler, Pratt, Wickum, Gomez, Nunn and the list goes on. If a guy has a tattoo on his ankle and the undersheriff calls him into the office for a shark discussion so prior to the meeting he removes the tattoo how can that guy show the gonads to support his people. Oh wait maybe that is why there is a law suit for mistreating the bike people.
SEBA has no one to blame but themselves. Sheriff after Sheriff has refused to change the promotional process yet they support them for election. They allow individuals like Bracco to sit on the board so that he can go back to the brass and tell them every move that SEBA is making. Again common sense should dictate that when emails prove that a guy will do anything to get promoted maybe it’s not a good idea to share a lot of information with that individual.
The promotional issue should have been in contract negotiation’s years ago. But we cannot make the brass upset with us so let’s leave it out and keep living like we are.
Live with it because you have caused it and changing it will take their power away from the brass and that is not going to happen.
Nice thing about the blog is SEBA can’t vote to ban you.
I vote Bauer for SEBA Pres or Rep. HE can replace Eagleson ‘ useless ass.
@59
Spot on!!!
@61
If he got in, Nancy Tate would quit forsure
SEBA isn’t supporting their former sergeant at arms Bill Holland. Isn’t that telling.