The law firm of Lackie, Dammeier, McGill & Ethir, in Upland, is dissolving after roughly 20 years of representing area police officers and sheriff’s deputies in litigation matters.
By Joe Nelson, San Bernardino Sun
Posted: 09/20/13, 8:43 PM PDT |
An Upland law firm that grew in the past 16 years to be one of the biggest in Southern California representing police unions is dissolving amid allegations of fraudulent billing practices, officials said.
In a letter dated Sept. 10, Ron Cottingham, president of the Sacramento-based law enforcement political lobbying group Police Officers Research Association (PORAC), informed members of its legal defense fund that the firm Lackie, Dammeier, McGill & Ethir had been removed from its panel of approved providers in the wake of the misconduct allegations.
“Recently the Legal Defense Board of Trustees found that the former panel law firm Lackie, Dammeier, McGill & Ethir has committed serious acts of misconduct regarding their billing practices,” Cottingham said in his letter. “As a result, (Lackie, Dammeier, McGill & Ethir) has been removed from the (Legal Defense Fund) panel of approved providers.”
Founded in 1997 by retired Riverside County sheriff’s deputy Michael Lackie and reserve San Bernardino County sheriff’s deputy Dieter Dammeier, the firm Lackie, Dammeier, McGill & Ethir represented dozens of police unions in San Bernardino, Riverside and Los Angeles counties. Their clients include the San Bernardino, Rialto and Ontario police officer associations, the San Bernardino County Safety Employees Benefit Association, and the Torrance and Riverside police officers associations, to name a few. The slogan “Former Cops Defending Current Ones” is emblazoned across the top of the firm’s website.
Auditors for the PORAC Legal Defense Fund singled out three of the firm’s 13 attorneys: Saku Ethir, a partner at the firm for the last two years, Peter Horton, and Kasey Sirody. The three were accused of overbilling the Legal Defense Fund and submitting invoices for trips that were never taken, according to Cottingham’s letter.
Cottingham’s letter went into specifics regarding some of the allegations, including:
•Ethir submitted in 2012 invoices claiming to have billed 4,275 hours, more than twice the average of annual billable hours for a full-time legal defense fund panel attorney.
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Well, well, well. So now we find out the real facts from joe nelson, of all people. So the self serving statement by Eithir was obviously just a scam to cover up her double and triple billing! Who would have thought a firm defending crooked cops would cheat their associations? And still these stupid morons defend these crooks! I guess crooks prefer other crooks.
Most of us with a brain knew there was more to this than just a disagreement. And some of us knew law firms dont just suddenly dissolve for the reasons stated. You can put money that disbarment is in some futures. Could even be fraud and theft charges.
#1, you yourself said “joe nelson, of all people” so why do you now believe he is giving you “real facts”? He gets credibility because he told you something you want to believe? He has shown himself to be a hack for the political players of the county, you can’t pick and choose when to believe him. Whenever he writes something I automatically question what is really going on and look to figure out who he is being told to protect.
The reason nelsons story makes sense is because he is not interpreting anything he is quoting LDF which indicates that Ethir admitted double and triple billing. Now, it is possible that LDFJust made all this stuff up. But the fact that LDME split up so fast with the non involved lawyers heading for the hills suggests that the story as quoted is true.
What a Moron…..Your the biggest hypocrite Anonymous……. Ethirs statement is self serving? Really? There’s a new concept………..Rons statement isn’t self serving? Anonymous, change your name to brainless………
You clearly get your facts from credible sources and always see through the smoke n mirrors. Its just by chance of course that those 3 attorneys about to be disbarred and brought up on charges have been hired by PORAC/LDF’s competitor.
I bet they wish they had talked to Joe Nelson or Ron first…
#01, what I just took, your as Sharp as a beach ball, bright as a crayola
Go to http://porac.org/ and read the four alerts posted there for more info on PORAC/LDF’s allegations, which are accurately reflected in Joe Nelson’s article. Time will tell if the allegations are true or flash, but the mass exodus of the younger attorneys and the breakup of the firm speaks volumes.
Stupid auto correct! That should be “false,” not “flash.”
It appears by Nelson’s report that PORAC disrupted Rialto POA’s
happy level of service they were getting without any warning or consultation.
That appears to include SEBA.
Maybe before you crap in someone’s cereal you should for warn
them.
@1 Crooks defending crooks?
I know you would never put your name to that statement, and tell some of those cops who used this law firm they were crooks to their face. I bet you would expect them to be nice to you in response?
A great example of keyboard bravado.
I know a nurse that would beg to differ with you, if you were to call her a crook, then rest assured the POLITICALLY correct response would be out the door.
I’d bet you would be upset at her response, and think she was overly RUDE, maybe even crazy.
Nelson’s comments from PORAC are what PORAC put out when this scandal broke, NOTHING new from them. Nelson copied and pasted original statements, then tried to get follow up interviews from those involved.
What is interesting is the information put forth is other Association Presidents comments. If you wish to take that at face value, that A LONE is problematic, and DOES NOT speak well of PORAC.
Yes PORAC assembled some LDME lawyers who jumped ship, the law firm of Rains&Lucia opened a office at SEBA.
Rains&Lucia are USING crooked lawyers from the LDME law firm.
NOW how and the hell do you explain that?
It’s clear PORAC did NOT want to disrupt service to it’s members, but PORAC took it upon themselves and ASSUMED whatever lawyers they offered up, everyone else would ACCEPT that.
WHY was that done? Because the only other law firm in the area was Silver,Hadden&Silver. HOW many of those POA’s were going to accept that law firm as their GO TO firm? I bet more than a few would have REFUSED.
SHS has lost more than a few Associations right around here because of their BS.
So PORAC is telling other POA’s, even though IT IS YOUR MONEY that keeps us going, WE WILL DECIDE who represents you under a LDF plan.
Where have we heard such an attitude before? YES I am your lawyer, and your fate I hold in my hands, but I will make whatever decisions I think necessary, and don’t care what you have to say about it.
Chris Gaspard is a former LDME attorney, guess you can call him a liar, but I bet plenty of POA people are very concerned about what happened and are reaching out for answers through him.
It seems his business is brisk, according to him. It true that’s pretty darn good that other crooks followed him to his new business. Gaspard must serve up some fine KOOL-AID.
I will go with the Rialto POA Presidents comments for now. GO AFTER the named lawyers involved, DO NOT take down the entire firm if you have a problem.
But it appears that was the REAL motive ALL along, or one of them.
WIPE out the aggressive representation. By god if we tell you to tube a cop, and save us some money, you will, or you will suffer.
Again we will see what Associations ACCEPT this BS.
If you wish to believe the SEBA President and his comments, SEBA is the biggest Association in PORAC or one of them, it appears PORAC did not give a crap what SEBA thought about dumping LDME.
Or so we are told, no I don’t believe SEBA had no for warning.
Lets see how many NAMED Associations come forward with FRAUD claims however slight against LDME beside the ASSHAT Ron Cottingham who supported the likes of Sheriff Rod Hoops.
That would be the SOB who CHARGED two INNOCENT cops in the POST scandal.
If your a thief, your a thief AT EVERY opportunity you get. EASIER to rip off associations who might not be paying attention, but difficult with the guy HOLDING the red pen.
Yes the RED pen. It appears there were NO COMPLAINTS of over billing in the June 2013 LAX meeting with the main man Ed Fishman, just a concern to cut costs.
RIGHT along with the suggestion of TUBING some cops, and being non-aggressive.
It appears the guy with the RED PEN had his head up his ASS in June 2013 meeting, and had NO IDEA they were being over billed at the time.
OR DID HE?
One of the Board of Trustee’s on LDF, Kerry Condon the Anaheim POA President, is a real LDME hater, or he hates Deiter D, with a passion, and has openly said so.
Not a problem, maybe he should have excused himself from the vote. LOOKS professional when you do.
What is funny about Condon, one of his own employees in his association for a period of 7 YEARS, RIPPED the association off for a total amount of $366,000.00. YES that’s over a quarter million.
Condon has been part of the Anaheim POA for about 9 years, and President since 2012.
So he was President for the POA OVER a year, the full time employee at the office, with this secretary who is ripping their butts off RIGHT under his nose.
According to reports, FINALLY and only when Condon got a letter from the Franchise Tax Board and discovered this employee was DELIQUENT in her taxes did a RED FLAG pop up.
YES a serious investigation was launched by Anaheim PD.
Many felony counts filed against the employee, and a few against her husband. She was convicted and sentenced to 4 years in state prison, ordered to pay FULL restitution.
Also interesting that the employee was paying her personal bills with association credit card.
But how do you squeeze blood out of a turnip?
What is also hilarious, Mr.Condon was leading the charge to prevent an citizen over site committee from being formed in Anaheim.
Even though the POA supported the mayor at one time, seems the mayor crossed political lines and the Anaheim POA stepped in.
One of Mr.Condon’s themes in his rhetoric, was WE, Anaheim PD have plenty of checks and balances in place, and don’t need ANYONE looking over our shoulder.
He was so brazen to suggest that such a committee, MIGHT jeopardize the safety of citizens in Anaheim. REALLY?
Where were the checks and balances in his very own POA?
Since Condon is a major finger pointer at LDME, I thought his awesome ability to run HIS ship should be pointed out.
WHERE was his RED PEN?
I would just like to know how many of his fellow POA members demanded answers of his FAILURE TO SUPERVISE. I bet that is ALL a secret.
Google Anahiem POA and read the stories for yourself. Maybe Condon is suffering from PTSD regarding that scandal.
Maybe Condon should have been the LEAD case agent in this audit of LDME, with his ADVANCED skills on embezzlement and fraud.
Maybe he was?
Mass exodus? It surely does create questions. Does that suggest guilt? Maybe.
Anyone ever heard the term, “live to fight another day”? Who is to say that LDME does not come back together another day?
Nothing legally stopping them from coming back as one, at some future date. They disbanded quickly, they can regroup with the same speed.
Maybe they broke up so as to not drain their war chest running the office, will use that money to fight PORAC? True fighters do not run for cover because some union fools point a finger.
Very possible a counter offensive is in the making. Not fighting Ed Fishman would be one of the greatest opportunities ever missed. He has been made to look a fool more than once. Beating him into the ground before a jury would be worth watching.
#10. What are you smoking? These attorneys have to protect themselves first, especially those who are not partners in the firm.
Lackie pretty much retired due to health concerns and has been uninvolved with the firm for a few years.
Dammeier has told people he’s retiring.
McGill has gone to Adams, Ferrone & Ferrone.
Ethir and one of the associates from LDME are reportedly working with FOP to offer LDF-type insurance.
Schwartz has gone to Rains, Lucia & Stern and is in the process of opening their SoCal office.
Gaspard and Castillo have formed a new firm called Gaspard Castillo Winter & Harper operating out of a mailbox at a FedEx store in Riverside.
Dawson is working alone out of his home.
Face it — it’s over. LDME has about as much chance of making a comeback as do The Beatles.
Maybe I am smoking some better dope than you. Try some
of that Northern California stuff.
@11, after taking a good hit off my high price
bong, I came to the following reasonable conclusion.
Friends and supporters can always make one
re-evaluate any decision.
I saw Paul McCartney is worth $800 million. I think
he smokes some of that northern bud.
Well see. IF there’s any truth to LDF’s allegations, things could go really bad for Ethir, and maybe for Horton and Sirody, too (those are the three ID’d in LDF’s “alert”).
It could also be bad for the other partners as it’s hard to believe they wouldn’t have been aware of a lawyer in the firm billing 4300 hours in a single year. Hopefully there is a good explanation, but I can’t imagine what that would be. Disbarment is a real possibility, as is a civil suit to recoup any overcharges, any maybe even criminal charges of fraud.
I hate to see the firm’s innocent lawyers painted with the same brand brush as those who perpetrated the wrongdoing, assuming there was any wrongdoing. OTOH, fraud is fraud, and the guilty should be punished.
John Lennon is dead. He was wealthy, too, but he won’t be making many more records.
Face itLDME was a scumbag firm.
@14 you ever dealt with any of the players up in Sacramento? EVER faced off with any of those folks at PORAC on anything? Ever taken ANY LDF attorney to task on anything? EVER even got in a lawyers ass?
OK, I was waiting to see who the anonymous thinkers were and see if they could come in here and give us some SERIOUS wisdom and logic in this BIG TIME scandal.
But as usual most people wrap their arms around an allegation from someone with a title as BEING credible despite many recent issues that suggest you should THINK before you speak.
Just forget about the recent events at SBSD. NOT a freakin chance that what LDME might have done created this. I doubt many of you even know what the term RETALIATION is all about.
Has ANYONE thought of the impact this decision PORAC made, on POA’s that have NEVER used PORAC, or left them for whatever reason and has used LDME for a long time?
How many POA’s did PORAC decision REALLY impact because the firm broke up? I don’t know the numbers, but it’s a few.
So is it fair to say that PORAC crapped on outside POA’s, and created some serious grief for them?
Or are you going to say that doesn’t matter cause the allegations are serious?
THEY ARE NOT serious allegations people, because those FAT ASSES on LDF should have went straight to the Attorney General, allowed them to ANNOUNCE these allegations as being under investigation.
Let Kamala Harris get some AWESOME news media coverage. Then Ron Cottingham and Ed Fishman could say “no comment”, then we would not be having these DEEP discussions at the level we are.
6 months have went by, NO AG or State Bar. Hell it only took Mr.Condon and his pals a few months to bring charges against one of his employees for embezzlement, ONCE he had a clue. THERE is an EXPERT for you folks.
Anyone want to say LDF is going to show a LITTLE MERCY to LDME and that’s why no AG? Please put your name to that so we can find out if you even have a clue.
If I was a POA President, not a PORAC member and this happened to my crew, and I’d used LDME and was happy, I’d be rallying my folks to support LDME for WAR.
Oh I’d call Ron Cottingham and say RELEASE the damn audit, and BACK UP what you said. If that fool told me it’s still under investigation, I’d ask by who? If he said by use, I’d be telling Cottingham, STAND BY.
Then I would ask LDME you going to fight, or you going to roll over? If they said fight, then I’d be asking my crew HOW MUCH money do you all want to give LDME to kick PORACS ass?
Of course we will see in short order I hope, WHO will COWBOY up, and who will run their yap. TYPICAL of most cops.
You all going to run over and wrap your arms around the Law Firm of Rains & Lucia, because Michael Schwartz NOW says they are the REAL deal.
NOT A CHANCE the fulchers have landed in SB County.
Better yet, how about Nancy Tate and Michael Eagleson putting their GOOD NAME behind that shit. YEA, there is the tie breaker there.
Let us know how that works out for you.
Isn’t fraud a specific intent crime? Maybe #15 can tell us.
@AntiCorruptionUnit. So let’s see, the best I can figure from your rambling posts is that you believe LDF, specifically Fishman, made up some wild allegations about certain attorneys in the LDME law firm charging an impossible number of hours, triple billing, charging for travel not taken, etc. etc., created a phony audit, and risked being sued for slander by publicly accusing the LDME lawyers, and that these false allegations scared the tough, experienced lawyers at LDME so much that rather than denying the allegations, one name partner retired even though he’s under 50, another jumped to a different law firm, the associates all split, and the firm closed its doors permanently — all within less than two weeks of LDF going pubilc. That doesn’t exactly add up. Kojak you ain’t!
17: yes it is.
18: hilarious! And so true. You have certainly pegged ACU correctly!
#17: Correct. Now, don’t you think that billing LDF for a substantial number of hours that were not and could not have been worked, and for travel not taken, and for the same hours charged to multiple accounts, just might be enough to persuade the D.A., a judge and jury (civil or criminal), or anyone other than ACU that there was in fact intent to defraud? Or would you buy the argument that a lawyer charged LDF for 4300 hours of work in a year — that’s 12 hours per day, every day, Saturdays, Sundays and holidays included — and for more than 24 hours of work some days, and for the same hours three different times, and for travel time for trips that were not taken, and for hours worked while ineligible to work, was a mere oversight? Or somehow justified?
Look. Whether you think LDME was the greatest pro-cop law firm that ever existed, even if they saved your sorry butt or that of your partner a dozen times, it’s over, and it’s not coming back. Period. Deal with it and move on. The sort of crap that ACU continues to spout does no one any good.
It’s great to see that others can see Kenny’s ramblings for exactly what they are. Kenny is a hot headed fool. He has always been. He couldn’t make it as a deputy so now he thinks he has found his calling meddling in law enforemnt’s affairs. Kenny get a clue.
22. We have always recognized him for what he is. We are willing to let him spout his usual nonsense without intervening but more often than not his discussion turns aggressive to the point of him calling people out to fight. THAT is definitely not normal. We all know deep down that having him turn in his badge and gun was for the better of all.
If “Kenny” isn’t in law enforcement, exactly who and what the hell is he, and why does he care about any of this?
@18 thanks for answering my first question as to your personal experience dealing with a PORAC issue. Ok on the rest of your comment.
@20 it is hilarious to deal with anonymous bloggers.
And my favorite detractor, James mills aka Joe Henry. Bet you feel safe Joe now that the posse has arrived huh?
Assuming there are actually 3 different people posting, I like the odds.
@21, you speak like you did the investigation yourself. If you think so strongly of your comments, then you should put your name on it so people will know you speak from experience.
No criminal charges, yes I am calling BS. You should have mentioned that the attorney who defends LDF mentioned in the other article TRIED to say “hold on here” but the vote was already taken. 1 trustee dissenting, Hmmm.
Then information that is starting to circulate that only 2 people at the time had read the audit, a couple who voted had not read it.
PORAC not releasing their audit upon request to the other POA’s effected, SPEAKS VOLUMNS.
Sounds like an excellent criminal case depending on which anonymous blogger you wish to believe.
Keep after it gentlemen.
@24 who the hell are you?
#18,if your a cop, you have never seen baseless or fabricated allegations ever? If your vouching for Fishman by all means tell us. If your really someone of importance that sure would help.
Nice, seems I struck a nerve with some anonymous cheerleaders.
Actually 18s comments make complete and total sense. Any other interpretation is not logical under the circs.
If 18 made complete, total sense, then the other POA’s would have been given the audit upon request, let them decide for themselves what does and does not make sense. If Mr.Fishman had it together, then he would say here everyone, see for yourself. I notice no one has tried to refute the audit done by LDME they paid 40,000 bucks for.
30. The decision does not belong to the POAs for one. For another, LDF is the one paying the bills, they have the fiduciary duty not to allow fraud. The POAs should be thankful someone is looking out for their members since they apparently are so naive to believe you just shout “cops for cops” and theyre allowed to steal whatever they can get away with. Hopefully LDF has registered as an insurance company then there will be insurance fraud as well as theft.
@31,really. Just take our good word and lets all move on. Get serious. They should have got the attorney general involved the minute they suspected some thing of the magnitude you would have us believe. So now your suggesting the POA’s or cops in general are naïve. That is insulting sir. The cops cannot help themselves, so it take brave souls from LDF to guide the sheep?
Hopefully we will see a long history of LDF’s protection of fraud. Fiduciary duty to make sure all members have a complete and fair judicial process without worrying if Ed Fishman has decided to give the word your going down.
Fishman sounds really qualified to adjust our country’s well established rules of law for the sake of money that is not coming out of his pocket. Or is the money coming out of his pocket?
Hopefully we will hear that Ed Fishmans LDA and LDF affiliation is not in conflict with this debacle which might be something worthy of a serious line of questioning.
32. I certainly did not mean to insult you, however you have to admit It is a little odd that people are more upset about losing their law firm even though the evidence suggests said firm was stealing from them.
It is odd indeed, it has not been proven anyone stole anything yet. But to get behind the allegations like that is all that is needed is troubling. Many other issues have been brought forth. Those who are upset about losing the law firm have not been defrauded. Would one go with a majority opinion, or just Ed Fishman’s say so? If there was no June meeting, then I would be feeling a little different.
Fishman’s words to Saku Ether on cutting costs, being more non-aggressive is troubling. If LDME had this long established track record of money issues, many complaints from POA’s on service issues, then this would not seem odd. You can bet Ed Fishman would have included that in his reports, or should I say this certified fraud auditor, whatever the heck that means. For sure, Mr.Cottingham would have brought those concerns forth.
If LDME had a high loss ratio of cases, this over billing, that would go in LDF’s favor for sure. I think there might just be a little jealousy within the ranks of PORAC.
Any of those anonymous cheerleaders, LDME haters like to put a DOLLAR amount on this compelling fraud? Or is that a National Security issue?
Hell Anaheim POA put a dollar figure on their loss. Why is that so difficult? Seeing a figure of $366k got me to reading.
The most important factor in a FRAUD is the dollar amount. Why is that missing? Or is the real amount going to make some one laugh?
I wonder how many assistants each individual attorney employed? Do you think they were paid by W-2 or 1099?
Interesting question Sgt.Mistar. LDME gave up their internal books so LDF could look at them, in addition to their audit.
Not sure if that would be part of it. They had a decent size support staff.
From Anon 21.
“The sort of crap that ACU continues to spout does no one any good”.
Does who no good? Your friends at LDF, Silver,Hadden&Silver, or Rains & Lucia?
Or just counters your agenda and limited crap you try and spin there Mr.Anon?
See if you were to put your name behind it, and you turned out to be a FAMOUS lawyer or POA President, then folks might pay more attention.
You must not be sure of yourself, don’t want anyone to know who you are but would like folks to think your on the money.
Better yet, you might not want to answer questions if it turns out your just talking trash and can’t back it up.
How much you getting paid to be a spin doctor for LDF?
@24
If “Kenny” isn’t in law enforcement, exactly who and what the hell is he, and why does he care about any of this?
What does it matter “exactly who and what the hell” ACU IS?????
>>> Fraudulent billing practices do not get enough DAYLIGHT as it is.
Let’s go back to Steve Harmon when at the Riverside County conflict defense panel.
Anonymous on March 13th, 2013 12:22 pm
WARNING: The Riverside County Board of Supervisors have given the -POLITICALLY APPOINTED- nod to the notoriously OVERPAID, legal whore, Steve Harmon.
…..
“Bozo the Clown” Harmon will no doubt continue with his LAZY, STUPID, INCOMPETENT, and BAD legal
advice and poor leadership as the new Riverside County Public Defender.
Too bad all those defendants Steve Harmon wrongfully FRIGHTENED and PRESSURED into taking the deal can not appeal under the grounds that they were DENIED DUE PROCESS OF LAW! But it’s no skin off my nose, one day he will answer for all those nameless faceless indigent defendants he, and his panel, DENIED due process to rather than fighting and presenting their defenses; legitimate or not,
Harmon was PAID to SERVE them, not judge them.
AntiCorruptionUnit on September 22nd, 2013 10:03 pm
The most important factor in a FRAUD is the dollar amount. Why is that missing?
Really Kenny? The most important factor in a FRAUD is the dollar amount?? What an ignorant statement. That would be like saying the most important factor in excessive force is the amount of injuries. You are an idiot. It doesn’t matter if the fraud was for one cent of for one million dollars. Fraud is fraud! It is a overt act to steal. It don’t matter what the dollar amount is! It’s all about character and integrity which apparently both LDME and you lack.
Thanks so much for that James. We know you were a top notch investigator in your day, only problem is no one can find any of your actual work.
Good to see you getting an early start before your BA level goes up.
Jimmy Joe Henry, the “Otis” from Mayberry RFD. Just let yourself out Joe, we know you will be back.
What ever the dollar amount of the ALLEGED FRAUD in errant LDME billings may be (undisclosed @ this time), that number is nothing compared to the value of the ACTUAL FRAUD being committed, and the money being lost by PORAC membership in the SCAM that Fishman is running over at the LDF, due to his conflicted roles on the Board, and contracting with his own FOR-PROFIT biz “on the side”.
Something STINKS about the way that the LDF & PORAC (Is either considered an insurance co?) does business for their law enforcement membership… something SMELLS LIKE FISHman!
Sho does smell Steve.
Here is a slight slap on Anaheim POA President Kerry Condon, the LDME finger pointer by a local blog.
http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2013/04/the-dangerous-lies-of-anaheim-polices-kerry-condon/
We heard from a member of Anaheim PD that Mr.Condon, was NOT the one who intercepted a letter from the Franchise Tax Board.
It was an investigator from Franchise Tax Board that came to the POA office looking for that employee, AND that is how Condon FINALLY got a clue as to what was happening in this fraud.
The employee in questions desk sat a mere 10 feet from Condon’s desk, it is reported.
One can believe whatever they wish, but someone was asleep at the wheel.
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
― Mark Twain
PORAC/LDF is missing one of the attorney’s names from L & D. That is Riverside based attorney, and former Deputy District Attorney Todd Rash. He was L & D’s go-to attorney for law enforcement criminal matters they did not handle themselves in the L & D office, and Todd Rash received LDF payments same as the rest of them. L & D would also refer non-law enforcement criminal matters to him as well. Although Mr. Schwartz did handle the Ivory Webb criminal case, you’ll notice Bill Hadden was with him the entire trial. Someone had to train him.
Don’t worry though. It’s all just a bad dream. You are going to wake up any minute now, and L & D will be back in their offices just like before.
Or believe anonymous bloggers with an obvious
agenda.
Did some idiot just say Hadden trained Schwartz?
Centurion your more like Imperial the crown butter commercial. I can hear the theme tune now just before you, the idiot, has a crown appear on your head
Dr. Blase: You tried. It’s over. It’s all over. Time to find another law firm to live vicariously through, because the altar at which you and others worshiped, and the naive trusted at L & D is no more. You and the other Jonestown cult members must now go to the old L & D building is mass. You can light candles and hold vigil outside on the steps. If they’re serving Grape Kool-Aid, you might want to pass on that. Maybe Daryl Hannah will come down from a tree long enough to chain herself to the front door in protest? I know; you can all; “Occupy Upland” in protest!
Sing it Frankie: Make it one for my baby, and one more for the road…………………..
Now butter man, aka Cent, that was actually pretty funny, nice work…… I however am not a sideline kinda guy and do not turn my back on those I call friends. My loyalty is given to those that have earned it and I don’t waiver, no matter what is thrown around. If you have earned my loyalty, than you have earned my trust. With that said, I am 100% confident at the end of the day those responsible for this unethical and baseless action taken against LDME and specifically Saku Ethir, will be exposed and have a civil action to deal with. When the dust settles, those on the right side of this will remain.
Side note, I had fun with Darryl Hannah down at the Watts “garden” Towers back when I worked S.O.E. She fried her brain, there’s no doubt
One thing that I think is funny is SEBA can show LDME the door when they are told that they overbilled but no one has produced the proof yet.
SEBA has it in black and white that one of their own board members, along with a rep, tossed another employee under the bus and they allow these individuals to stay around.
Does anyone see a problem with this?
Friendship over membership……… Seems McMahon did the same thing with Marnati…..Had he been professional and put that aside, the county would still have 885,000
Like Bill Hadden getting a pass from Ed Fishman
for his over billing and malpractice incidents.
We will see how deep the LDF concerns about
lawyer misconduct really are. Especially with over 20
years of service that most of the law firms have with LDF.
When was last time LDF practices were put under scrutiny
before a jury?
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59 Status quooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo……..
No bullshit aside, explain why you think the fukd up system in place now is better than Shrader? I’d love to hear your thinking process…. I have yet to hear anyone articulate a valid reason. Mybe you can amaze us by being the first
Yea Blasé wouldn’t that be cool to see the status quo NO MORE!!! That is the key, no status quo, the entire corrupt system does a nose dive.
LDME surely exposed what the status quo was all about within SBSD. They exposed SEBA and Silver,Hadden&Silver for what they were also. The physical evidence was compelling.
At least 3 cases SHS dumped, or mis-handled, turned around by LDME in short order, and within a few months of each other.
Both the union and their lawyers tubing members, clients, as they saw fit. Then trying to call the finger pointers, liars or crazy. T-Bone nailed it in his comments.
Deputy Jason Boros finding those very NASTY,NEGATIVE NOTES Bill Hadden wrote about him in his file, was a real GIFT to show Hadden’s true colors.
And we can show that Ed Fishman COVERED for Hadden more than once.
Now we have some more finger pointers wanting us to believe that the charges leveled against LDME should be believed.
What were the odds in the Travis Bauer case, when LDME faced of with the regime?
I believe it was about 12 to 3. SBSD had 4 LAWYERS doing battle at one point.
They all got their asses handed to them. It was also obvious the lawyers were HIDING “exculpatory” evidence, were closing a blind eye to perjury.
And we should be frightened because Ed Fishman and his crew say they got a case on LDME.
Go google Ed Fishman see what you can find out about his LONG career as a WARRIOR. Find a REAL case he has handled, one we can read.
Best I could find was, Fishman was involved in the “Oakland Riders” case from back in 2003, but nothing specific. Maybe that where Mike Rains and Rocky Lucia became friends with Fishman.
That letter that Rains&Lucia sent out on 8/13/13 to their clients, denouncing an UNKNOWN law firms conduct, was just a little SUSPICIOUS in lite of everything else that has come out.
A little cu de taunt Mr. Rains?
Maybe Mr.Fishman will be able to explain why he kept SEBA members from getting LDME as far back as 3 years ago, insisted the member use Hadden or Mike Stone. Have Fishman explain his legal theory on government code 3303(I),his power to ignore established law on a cops right to choose representation. To hell with Ed Fishman.
Give it a rest. You look both stupid and obsessed.
@64, you a little nervous?
There is something really pathetic about a person who has nothing better to do than stay glued to a website 24/7 pounding on his keyboard about disgruntled situations, real or imagined. What a poor excuse for a life.
#66 – I admire them. Without them, a lot of the dirt would be swept under the table. Their dedication to exposing the corruption places the corrupt ones in the cross-hairs.
One could say the same of a critic such as
yourself #66. Your looking at this blog for a reason.
Your agenda getting torn apart or what big guy?
What is funny is how quick the detractors
came in here after this story was posted. Like
get over to the blogs right away see what is
being said.
This site reprints interesting newspaper articles and occasional other interesting commentary. The comments? Not so much. The typical grousing, largely irrational conspiratorial thinking without any basis in fact, The semi hysterical rantings of people who apparently live and die by this site and the nut blog. Informative? Not really. Entertaining? Sometimes. Don’t overestimate your influence. The fact that some of us take the time and effort to comment on inanities should not be misinterpreted as being a response to your influence. It’s most likely were bored at the moment.
#70, so you come on here and engage in a back and forth insulting commenters because you are bored? That’s pathetic. But, I don’t believe you anyway because you mention the “nut blog”. You are far too engaged to be just “bored”. But, if you are just bored and that is what you do when you are bored, I am so sorry you have such a poor excuse for a life.
When I’m bored I masturbate to McMahon….. I love the scarecrow….Is that pathetic?
Whats the difference between me and half of his command staff? Not much, just how we choose to degrade our character. Some do it for pleasure, others to promote……. Sorry Stark, Tarangle, and your piss poor attempt Marnati……
Yeah, the pages of my Law Enforcement News are all stuck together… Calling Political Hack & LEN Publisher Davey “Little Bubba” Ellis… we need the next edition starring your latest candidate, Appointed-Sheriff Johnny Mac (we only got to see the back of his head in the Nov. 2012 edition!)
You guys do make me laugh!
laugh?
Let’s recall McMahon!!
What do you think ET??
Big Q is, can the people even recall someone they didn’t vote into office in the first place?
“can the people even recall someone they didn’t vote into office in the first place?”
LSW, now THAT’S FUNNY… all these stupid comments from the false and imposer Anonymous’ are a drag… they make me miss Red Anonymous— where are you Red???!!!!!!!!!!!
Don’t worry number #78, anyone who visits here regularly knows the difference between you and the other big “A”nonymous’.
“a”nonymous, that is why I think you’re cool, even if you disagree with me and you find my repeated commentary annoying.
I must say not all the imposter Anonymouses were stupid on this story, I just got annoyed myself when I saw so many of them in one place!HINT!
The Sheriffs Department and it’s current sheriff made mistakes, and they know it! That injustice however, does not make Paul Schrader capable of running a call, shift, major incident, team, station, region, or department. That’s just based on what he has said.
Paul Schrader is capable of running a call, shift, major incident, team, station, region, or department. That’s just based on what he has said.
Look at Mcloser. He has hung out at SBSD for years and can’t run the Department.
Schrader has what we need. Someone that can run a multi-million dollar business and do the right thing.
I agree with you 409 SBSD is in bad shape with McMahon.
# 81 – Do you mean when they got their pee-pee’s whacked in the last few court cases, they finally woke up?
This song came to my mind:
Wake up, little Susie, wake up
Wake up, little Susie, wake up
We’ve both been sound asleep, wake up, little Susie, and weep
The movie’s over, it’s four o’clock, and we’re in trouble deep
Wake up little Susie
Wake up little Susie, well
Whatta we gonna tell your mama
Whatta we gonna tell your pa
Whatta we gonna tell our friends when they say â??ooh-la-laâ??
Wake up little Susie
Wake up little Susie, well
I told your mama that you’d be in by ten
Well Susie baby looks like we goofed again
Wake up little Susie
Wake up little Susie, we gotta go home
Wake up, little Susie, wake up
Wake up, little Susie, wake up
The movie wasn’t so hot, it didn’t have much of a plot
We fell asleep, our goose is cooked, our reputation is shot
Wake up little Susie
Wake up little Susie, well
Whatta we gonna tell your mama
Whatta we gonna tell your pa
Whatta we gonna tell our friends when they say â??ooh-la-laâ??
Wake up little Susie
Wake up little Susie
Wake up little Susie
Mr, Milstar, I hope that type of case never happens again.
Other guy, you don’t like the current sheriff….that’s cool.
As far as Schrader, he just does not have any management experience. YES…he has never been involved in a scandal the likes of Boros, Orduno or Bauer. He hasn’t had any management experience!
I am no koolaid drinker, so I looked into the info he puts out. Maybe he could bring some change. It would be an understatement to say he is vague about his experience. No one will say if he worked patrol, where or for how long. He worked in Federal enforcement? In what capacity? Who and what has he managed? He seems to brag about his association with conspiracy theory groups, militias, and borderline kooks.
He served honorably in the armed forces, and I can respect that.
At 403 what would you call McMahon’s action in the Bauer case with those 11 or so others that were involved, when you talk about conspiracy?
That case was not an aberration when you talk about mistakes. It was a long history of conduct that McMahon has just carried on. McMahon has not talked about his management experience.
McMahon has done NOTHING to show the public or his troops he is any different than those before him as far as doing something GOOD as a leader. He has shown everyone it is BUSINESS AS USUAL.
McMahon’s testimony in the Bauer case SHOWS he is not INTELLIGENT and LEARNED anything from riding on the CORRUPTION bus in those previous years.
McMahon NEVER thought the Bauer case would go as far as it did based on past experience. McMahon assumed it would go way like ALL the other cases have during his many years with SBSD.
When anyone suggests however slight that McMahon should get the vote from the public over Schrader so McMahon can carry on the good old boy system is what one should call a KOOK.
McMahon doesn’t even trust his own staff at this point. That’s why only him and Cusimano are making decisions.
McMahon has a TON of dirt to carry around, Schrader has NONE.
Great leadership skills McMahon, you promote those who lie under oath knowing people have the proof to back it up. McMahon lied under oath and painted a picture of professional bullshit that was totally destroyed by department emails. I guess that is what some in the SO think is brilliant leadership skills.
I hear a lady attending a political function up in San Antonio Heights in Upland came across Sheriff John McMahon last week. Rumor has it when she asked John McMahon some tuff questions he became defensive and rude. The lady said his conduct told the whole story.
The lady’s of the community are making the Sheriff look like a fool these days. Wake up little Johnny, wake up.
Still no one will address Schrader’s shortcomings.
What are the shortcomings? Real shortcomings
or perceived? McMahons shortcomings are all
written down.
I see status quo right now just like we saw when
Hoops ran. Hoops lasted 2 years. He did a decent
job of covering up the post scandal, but not the
Parkinson issue.
McMahon can carry that stuff right along with
his present issue.
John McMahon’s Adelanto jail $25 million over budget.
John McMahon Deputy Chief in charge of corrections.
County pays out $25 million in class action lawsuit.
There is $50 million in losses. How is that for starters?
Do you know why the jail went over budget?
As far as the strip searches, an old news article shows that the violation occurred between 2003 and 2006. Did McMahon have command over the employees who caused the violation? Were the practices “industry standard”?
Still no one addresses my concerns.
Call up Schrader with your concerns and then let
us know what he says. At least you can call him. You got issues
with him handle it.
What the heck does industry standards suggest,
that what happened in the jail is common place and everyone
does it so it is no big deal?
McMahon or Hoops both failed and were given the job.
Now when it comes to Schrader if you wanted to know about Schrader he will meet with you, he has a radio show you can talk to him on, he gives out his phone number you can call him. You don’t want to know about Schrader you want to sling mud.
Your loser Jonny MacTurd has too much going wrong and Schrader has too much going right.
Call Schrader and meet with him. He is not afraid like McTurd.
McMahon better get ready for more law suits. Deputies 100 McTurd ZERO.
Still no answers, and there is a lot of hostility. No one has answered, ACU and Mr Milstar, commented honestly. Why does everyone just deflect?
I have a recent news article that says the County did nothing wrong in the Travis Bauer matter. But someone wrote a check for $2 million, includes attorney fees.
Of course that news article violated the very terms of the settlement agreement, imagine that.
Then I think there is a few news articles on the POST scandal which said there was no cover up, but we know two were wrongfully accused.
Then there is news articles on the Sam Clauder case, the guy with child porn on his computer. Oh wait that case had to be dismissed too. All SBSD cases. Clauder’s case has a $7 million dollars lawsuit pending according to a news article.
Industry standards???? NO I’d say SB County standards.
Does ANYONE remember John McMahon blowing the whistle on any of that?
Almost forgot we have the news articles and emails from PORAC that a few just love talking about, the scumbag attorney’s from LDME.
LDME sure as hell set a standard for poor old John “the welfare sheriff” McMahon.
@403 the jail is over budget because Jon Marhoefer is running the show. One just needs to look at how Jon runs the Apple Valley Gun Club and it’s easy to see why the jail is tweeked.
Don’t come in here asking for answers about Paul Schrader when you can call him up and ask him yourself. Your game playing is obvious.
But I think you’ll need to give a name, anonymous callers are what they are.
403 YOU HAVE YOUR ANSWER TO CALL SCHRADER. YOU ONLY WANT TO THROW SHIT AND TALK IT. COME ON JACK ASS CALL PAUL. BUT MOST PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT SUCK MCMAHONS ASS WILL ONLY COME ON HERE AND ASK QUESTIONS AND ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER. MCMAHON HAS LOST CONTROL AND IS RUNNING SCARED. YOU KNOW SCHRADER CAN RUN SBSD. YOU ONLY WANT TO ARGUE. I LOOKED UP HIS WEB PAGE AND GOT HIS PHONE NUMBER 732-6964. 403 YOU MAKE ME SICK. PLAY GAMES HUH?
FROM SCHRADERS WEB PAGE
Paul Schrader has 30 years of experience in city, county and Federal law enforcement. Paul currently works as a Deputy Sheriff at the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.
A native of Arkansas, Paul was taught that hard work and dedication pays off.
He was active in his community as a Boy Scout and as a law enforcement
Explorer. After graduating from high school, he enlisted in the United States Marine Corps. Paul was sent to San Diego, California for boot camp. After training he was sent to the Fleet Marine Force as an infantryman. After 2 years he went to the Military Police and was then assigned to work as an undercover narcotics operative at the Naval Investigative Intelligence Service (NIIS). Paul continued his career for the next 29 years working in city, county and Federal law enforcement.
Paul has the necessary, hands-on experience by being selected for several important assignments. These assignments have given Paul the skills essential to overseeing a large and active Sheriffs Department, and in helping to develop trust and cooperation with the community, which Paul considers essential. His law enforcement management skills include jail supervision, Logistics team member, Risk Analysis Team supervision, Public Information Officer, and Patrol and Legal Unit supervision.
Paul has served as an Audit Team supervisor, giving him a clear understanding
of how to most effectively use the Sheriffs Department budget to benefit the
community and Deputies. Paul also has excellent community and intra-agency
skills. He has served as supervisor in the Film and Media Relations Operations,
and was selected to be a member of a Merger Team to facilitate the merger of
two law enforcement agencies. During the merger Paul helped to develop the
overtime process along with the staffing process.
Paul has received several awards in the course of his career, including
the Sheriff’s Meritorious Service Award, the Chief’s Service Award, and the Unit
Commander’s Award.
Paul believes that an ongoing education is critical to excellent job performance, and has graduated from numerous training classes in the course of his career. Paul continues to take training classes.
Paul also believes that the best way he and the Deputies of the Sheriff’s Department can protect and serve the community is to be as educated and as up to date as possible on the newest law enforcement practices, non-lethal weaponry and tactics, and correctional facility programs.
A dedicated family man, Paul Schrader and his wife Judith Bell Schrader have been married for 23 years and live in Rancho Cucamonga. They have five children, Abby, Amber, Amy, Anna, and April. Paul has a strong family investment in keeping San Bernardino County safe.
Paul was elected as both President and Vice-President of his Home Owners Association where he served for four years. Paul managed the budget so effectively that a raise in dues was unnecessary in a community of 540 homes.
Paul was also elected to the California Crime Prevention Officers Association (CCPOA) as Assistant Director. CCPOA is designed to help educate law enforcement officers and members of the community regarding public safety.
Paul was also appointed as an Ambassador with The Joyful Child Foundations which helps to unite and uplift our nations communities in the protection and
wonderment of all children.
I am concerned Sheriff McMahon was never in the military. His growing up around here, never doing anything but cop work leads me to believe his life experience is lacking. If McMahon had learned something in his cop years, we would not be seeing these problems.
#98 I agree. I will go with a Marine like Schrader anytime.
Mcmahon will win handily. Sorry but true.
Schrader will win by a land slide. Sorry but true.
The problem I see with McMahon is, he is worse than Hoops. I thought Hoops was bad BUT!! No I think people see this too. Yes 101 you’re right on that.
McMahon will win if the scumbags out number
the honest ones. John will work hard to get the
sheeple. Or like Obama a few undocumented migrants.
If McMahon can get the Office of Voters to help slip some votes in he could win. Paul Schrader has such a great background and clean record. Unlike McMahon.
@97 “FROM SCHRADERS WEB PAGE”
Ah! My eyes crossed on the third line so I stopped reading!
All that TALK of his MEANS NOTHING!
It’s not election time, so we’ll go on ignoring Schrader and his pushy arrogant cheerleader’s insistence … they’ve done a good job boring us with him.
Since they keep popping up here, here’s an old gentle reminder of how we feel about Schrader.
If Schrader’s weak mind and blind ignorance will not allow him to accept that he can never be a CAPTAIN do to the fact that ALL that he has been EQUIPPED with is to be part of the TEAM- then we will have no choice then to rough him up at election time as he attempts to elbow his way to the head of the table!
Here’s a tiny reminder for his “cheerleaders” who just don’t learn:
Anonymous on November 16th, 2012 11:35 am
Sorry Mr. White.
The winds have changed these past two years, and there are more individuals wanting IN on this FIGHT and have NOW the courage and interest in taking this position on; more qualified and with the BRAWN required currently in San Bernardino County-we have NO time to waste!
Schrader is a “nice” man, but he has gotten a swollen head listening to a tiny circle of fools wanting to CATAPULT him into the leadership position he is NOT prepared to handle.
Nothing personal against Schrader, but “nice” will not cut it- we will fight back on his blind and arrogant insistence to place himself at the head of the table…he should be part of the team if he is sincere about change.
#105 or should I say Denny Junior. You are crossed eyed so what’s the news?
Please ignore Schrader just like you just did. You feel you must respond in your very weak way Denny Jr. You talk about who invited who to the table. Are you crazy? YES you are. Shut the fuck up idiot.
I will continue to cheerlead for Paul Schrader. he will be the next sheriff. Sorry Denny. Now go to bed loser!
Thanks for the website info on Paul Schrader.
A Dennis Nowicki Jr re-write, repeat analogy. That comes
from the heart. Cool talk from a fellow who could not
even be Brad Mitzefelts water boy. Even though Dennis’s
mom tried her best to secure the job.
Denny you going to put a John McMahon for Sheriff
sign up in your front yard? A blow up picture of John
over your bed? Something you can pray to like the
great Budda?
Dennis Nowicki Jr who invited you to th table? Schrader was at the table before McMahon. McMahon was given a free spot at the table by that nasty bitch Josie and fat ass Janice.
Please continue Denny. Let’s hear more.
What has McMahon done for us?
Mcmahon will win handily. It wont even be close. Just saying.
Looks like nutblog.com closed up shop.
Paul Schrader will win by a land slide. It wont even be close. Why because McMahon is a POS and Schrader will bring decorum to a level that McMahon does not know. Just Saying. Also the shit is flowing from McMahon’s turd closet. WOW!
Hey there Mayor Petey of Redlands, nice quote in The Sun about Super Mario WEARING ALL THOSE HATS, when he was getting that recent award… fitting legacy to justify an EARLY RETIREMENT, and if you and DA Mikey play your cards right, you’ll be able to get a TWOFER-ONE by jettisoning both Super Mario and
Redlands CM Nabar, his PARTNER IN CRIME, into early retirement.
Just think though Petey, if you and Mikey TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS, it’s not too late, then maybe you’ll both be successful in the next election cycle too… it’s worth a shot, so DO THE RIGHT THING, and save you’re own hides at the same time (it’s a regular WIN-WIN no brainer, so DO YOUR JOB as public servants now, or have the FBI clean-up the mess later).
Paul Schrader has no big problem beating the appointed incumbant (welfare sheriff) J. Mac. Given the spot for showing up with his hand out. People are tired of welfare sheriffs MAC. Go away! MacMahon got something for nothing, why should he care?
If you are looking to email any of the former attorney’s from Lackie & Dammeier, you use the same name characters as before; but instead of using @policeattorney.com just replace that with @Amway.com! They have a new driveway cleaner that rocks!