State Senator Bob Dutton left. Congressman Gary Miller right.
Monday, October 15, 2012 – 09:00 a.m.
The battle to represent the 31st Congressional District continues to heat up.
State Senator Bob Dutton (R-Rancho Cucamonga) has given terse response to a hit piece sent out by the campaign of Congressman Gary Miller (R-Rancho Cucamonga).
In the email, titled “In the Gutter with Gary Miller”, Dutton actually recites a line from Barack Obama’s playbook.
We had hoped the day would not come when my opponent decided he needed to crawl into the gutter and pull out his bag of dirty campaign tricks. He decided that instead of talking about his own record he would resort to the old practice of career politicians, “If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.” I have pledged to run this campaign on my record as a local Councilmember, a State Assembly Member and State Senator.
The response comes on the heels of Miller sending out a mailer with a photo of Dutton sleeping during a floor session and criticizing him for voting on several unbalanced budgets.
Voters lose respect when this type of negative campaigning happens. So sad Miller has lowered his tactics to this level. Yes, you are changing votes Mr. Miller, but not in your favor…..
So Dutton decided it was okay to plagiarize the President. Wow! Bad move. Maybe he thought no one would notice. He must be getting desperate.
Wow, I recall Miller stating he wasnt going to go negative. Its great that Miller keeps his word, what a typical politician. I like the President’s quote, fits Miller well. Nice job Dutton!
“Nice job Dutton?” He didn’t quote the President, he plagiarized him. Big difference.
plagiarism?:
With respect to Comments # 2 & #4, you should look up the definition of “plagiarism.”
While you at it, look up “libel.”
#5, where did Dutton cite the quote? The rules of plagiarism are that quotes should be cited unless it is general public knowledge.
Here is a link so you can educate yourself.
http://wps.prenhall.com/hss_understand_plagiarism_1/6/1668/427073.cw/index.html
From Prentice Hall on plagiarism
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Cite Your Sources
When should you cite a source? You should give credit to a source whenever you use someone else’s work or idea that is not common knowledge. This includes any time you use or refer to information that comes from
interviews.
Internet sites.
chat room conversations.
radio or television programs.
personal letters.
speeches.
books.
magazines.
newspapers.
tape, video, or CD recordings.
electronic databases.
basically any source.
Don’t forget to give credit any time you use any of the following that come from another source:
quotations
statistics
graphs
pictures
ideas or hypotheses
stories
lists
So to avoid plagiarism one must cite quotations AND any information from a speech. DOUBLE FAIL for Dutton
plagiarism, you must either 1. be in undergrad or 2. just graduated. Does Dutton need to us APA or MLA format to adhere to your standards?
Maybe Dutton needs staff who knows the rules of writing. If he was a journalist he would have been fired. Maybe he should fire the staff that allowed the email to go out.
I am going to stop the back and forth now. Bottom line, if a high school English student has to understand the rules of plagiarism and when to quote someone, a candidate for US Congress should too.
Dutton has been going negative on Miller since the primaries. It’s only dirty politics when you can’t take it, but not when you dish it out. Time to call Dutton out on his big spending record while in the CA Legistature, which was the subject of Miller’s mailers. Read it for yourself.
Dutton –
1. What SPECIFIC reason(s) for endorsing LIBERAL DEMOCRAT RAMOS?
(is this the way to “cross the aisle?”)
2. Why OPEN CAMPAIGN FUNDS (though you claimed were closed)?
Dutton for Assembly 2012
Dutton for Congress 2012
Dutton for Supervisor 2014
Dutton for Supervisor 2018
http://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Campaign/Committees/Detail.aspx?id=1315434&session=2011&view=electronic
DUTTON FOR SUPERVISOR 2018, TAXPAYERS FOR BOB
“… Dutton explained the public records were inaccurate and several had been merged or closed. He said one was open because he can’t use funds from state offices for a federal race. …”
Robert Dutton refused to tell citizens where he stands on any of the issues addressed in the 2012 Political Courage Test, despite repeated requests from Vote Smart, national media, and prominent political leaders.
http://votesmart.org/candidate/28838/robert-dutton#.UHx5dK5ITdA
@12, I have not seen any negative mailers come from Dutton. In fact Miller doesn’t even live in rancho, he is still living in diamond bar! We don’t want a corrupt politician in the IE! We have enough of them! Isn’t Miller’s FBI investigation still open! What about his earmarks?
Miller has moved to Rancho Cucamonga. Sorry!
Wow, that sos link shows that Dutton filed for the 2018 Supervisor committee in June of this year. Seems odd to form a committee just weeks after the primary unless you think you are going to lose.
Let me point out that although Dutton hasn’t released any negative lit for Congressman Miller he has frequently took shots at Gary in press interviews and has personally attacked Gary at numerous occasions at candidate forums. Why isn’t Bob defending his record instead of bashing Gary.
@ sorry, a little birdy says he still lives in Diamond Bar! He’s too good for the “small people” in the Inland Empire!
o ya because diamond bar is “so nice”.
#20 – Does that mean those of us who live in Diamond Bar are not “small people” ? Are you prejudiced?
Didn’t dutton endorse democrat Ramos? If so he’s done. Toast. Finito.
#20
YOU ARE BEING SILLY, NO ONE HAS EVER BROUGHT UP THAT “THE LITTLE PEOPLE” LIVE IN THE INLAND EMPIRE…
MILLER HAS ROOTS THERE, LONG BEFORE REDISTRICTING.
#24, it came out of his mouth when he was first elected, I’ve been a political junky for years. Actually, it saddens me the Drier is not running for this seat!
#25
Well, then, you’re talking years ago, and…back then… since you are a political junkie…you have to admit, things were such, so let’s not be overly sensitive about it…finally things have started to turn, we will not remain “small people”
hey last time I checked Rancho Cucamonga is way nicer then crapy Diamond Bar. your an idiot to because gary does live in rancho
@27 you’re an idiot because he is only “living” there so he can vote for himself this time around! Lets see if he still lives there after he loses the election.
27 & 28
the issues are beyond this pettiness
Wow, it’s been a while since I’ve been on this blog and although its always been pretty insignificant it’s entertaining if nothing else.
1. Gary Miller moved to RC only to hush the talk about him being a carpetbagger.
2. Gary had no idea of the needs of the 31st district
3. When Gary talks about representing this area he mentions Chino, Ontario etc. none of which are in the 31st.
4. Gary Miller equals SUPER PAC SPECIAL INTEREST!! NAR is spending whatever necessary to buy his seat! I hope the TRUE constituents of the 31st see passed the hooplah!
Dutton has my vote and the vote of all of my friends and family and no TV commercial or junk mail will change that.
@30
“insignificant” to you because you have been absent…but there is NOTHING “entertaining” here, WE ARE A DEAD SERIOUS CROWD- stick around long enough and you’ll understand it’s SIGNIFICANCE.
Dutton –
1. What SPECIFIC reason(s) for endorsing LIBERAL DEMOCRAT RAMOS?
(is this the way to “cross the aisle?”)
2. Why OPEN CAMPAIGN FUNDS (though you claimed were closed)?
Dutton for Assembly 2012
Dutton for Congress 2012
Dutton for Supervisor 2014
Dutton for Supervisor 2018
http://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Campaign/Committees/Detail.aspx?id=1315434&session=2011&view=electronic
DUTTON FOR SUPERVISOR 2018, TAXPAYERS FOR BOB
hey I like Bob but in the end Gary can do more for the area then Bob. I mean lets be real.
Dutton’s head got too big,
IT LONG AGO STOPPED BEING ABOUT SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY IN HIS BOOK
…IT’S ABOUT HOW FAR HE CAN CLIMB THE POLITICAL LATTER.
Ok, so much fact checking to do here, I don’t even know where to start.
First of, plagerism, Dutton did not claim the line as his own. If you read the whole letter it’s obvious that he’s not trying to plagerise anything. He’s using a term that’s been used a lot this election cycle in the Presidential race. Trying to say he “plagiarized” it is an obvious attempt to distract people from the main point. It’s petty.
Second, negativity. Dutton has not “taken shots” at Miller. He’s pointed out that Miller does not live in the district. So what? Is that really what passes as “negative campaigning” these days? Contrary to what Miller’s campaign staffers would have you believe, Miller has no roots in the district. he has no family here, he has never represented a single constituent here. Duttons imply pointed that out. Dutton is the home town hero who has lived here for 40 years and represented the area in Sacramento for 10. It’s a contrast to Miller. It’s not dirty.
Fact of the matter is, it’s public record that Miller took his latest DC contribution and did a poll. He didn’t release the poll results but then sent out 2 hit pieces on Dutton stating “he went there first so I’m following.” Bull crap! Logic dictates otherwise. It doesn’t take a political rocket scientsit to see that Gary was trailing far behind in the polls so looked for an excuse to go negative to even the odds. More evidence, campaigning 101 is if you’re ahead in the polls you don’t go negative, because it can backfire.
Third, the Ramos endorsement. This has been talked about in this blog and many others many times so I’m not sure why it’s still an issue. Neil Derry commited felonies and abused the public trust. Felony charges were brought against them, and he was able to plead them down to misdeameanors (a good move on his part because felons can’t hold public office). People always say they want politicians who aren’t strict partisans and don’t support members of their own party simply because they have the same letter next to their name. it was GOOD judgement not to support somoene who abuses the public trust by committing felonies. Fact check the fact checking if you want, google Neil Derry and see for yourself.
Dutton was also not the only GOP to endorse Ramos. The Derry and Miller camp try to spin this by saying that only politcians who hope to gain endorsements from the Indians endorsed him. Well, no, that’s just not true. Just one example, Jerry Lewis endorsed Ramos. Jerry Lewis is retiring, he has nothing to gain financially from doing so. And if you’re mad about GOP not supporting GOP, let’s not forget Derry got elected by challenging and running a smear campaign against a sitting GOP supervisor. Plain and simple, the Ramos endorsement is a non-issue. Fact of the matter is Derry is in trouble and Dutton has little he can be attacked on, so the Derrya nd Miller camps are using this as straws to grasp at in order to give the appearance of impropriety. Do just five minutes of homework and you can see through the BS with ease.
I think the last thing I need to address is the Supervisor account. I’ll admit the first time I heard this I raised an eyebrow, but in the last debate Dutton cleared it up. There are strict laws regarding what he can and can not do with the money he’s raised, so he opened the account to help consolidate and close his previous accounts. he can’t legally use it for the Congressional bid, but it’s got to go somewhere. Again, a non-issue, it’s been explained, and Miller’s staff trying to repeatedly bring it up is them again grasping at straws, trying to find a way to go negative.
Fact check me for yourself.
@Fact Checker:
“He’s pointed out that Miller does not live in the district. So what?
Is that really what passes as “negative campaigning” these days?”
1. So what? WE’LL TELL YOU WHAT…that is the MOST PETTY and INSIGNIFICANT point ever made …THAT’S WHAT- IT IN NO WAY DISQUALIFIES HIM AND HIS PAST HISTORY OF SERVING–if it was an issue…he could not “legally” run for THIS DISTRICT…Mr. Dutton should put that nonsense to rest.
2. No, it’s not “negative” it’s much to do about NOTHING! Child’s play.
@annonymous, seems like I might have struck a nerve aye lol! Seems like this blog is run by a bunch of corrupt Gary Miller lovers. I’ve waisted enough time here.
Fact Checker:
You claim that “Neil Derry committed felonies.” In fact, the felony charges were unproven allegations that the Attorney General agreed to dismiss.
You claim that Neil Derry “abused the public trust.” That sounds like opinion rather than fact.
Here’s my opinion: Mike Ramos fabricated bogus felony charges against Neil Derry to help James Ramos attempt to unseat him. Mike Ramos himself committed a far more egregious violation of FPPC rules, and was only fined.
Mike Ramos was clearly out to get Neil Derry, and all he could come up with was the alleged laundering of a single $5,000 campaign contribution that was fully reported. If that’s all he could find, there was not much to be found.
To quote your comment, “Do just five minutes of homework and you can see through the BS with ease.”
Fact Checker, if it is due to campaign finance laws why does he still have an Assembly account, Senate account and a Supervisor account? Seems like he could just have one. Also, why did he form this 2018 account in June? He already had a 2014 account. Why was we worrying about opening a 2018 account just a few weeks after the primary and receiving donations in his accounts while running for Congress? No one gives money to a candidate if he will never spend it. Seems like he is trying to position himself for another office. One account, maybe just to have a state account. But 4 (with the federal) and still receiving donations in his state accounts? The voters will see him as he is… a politician looking for the next seat.
Dutton endorsed ramos. Enough said. He is done.toast.finito. Dutton is history. Too bad. He was an ok guy. Too bad he supported the crook democrat Ramos.
#35 – so WHAT is it about Ramos that is so good that Dutton felt compelled to endorse a liberal rubber-stamping Democrat Ramos? (Please put the two words, Ramos and Dutton within a same sentence if you can) Thank you.
PS. Ramos rubber stamped MILLIONS of your tax money in the Community College Board of Trustees.
OOF #38….While we are all entitled to our own interpretations, it should be remembered that Derry described his wrong doing to investigators before charges were even filed thinking he was only going to get a fine. When charges were filed he tried re-canting his story and all this while he ran a campaign of anti-corruption in government. If anything, he should have been taking EXTRA CARE not to do anything shady, instead, he got right into bed with corruption by hamming it up with Erwin and Postmus and getting himself into this trouble. He definitely betrayed the public trust! Of course, if someone is an apologist for political and developer corruption then, of course, they are welcomed to that interpretation.
Derry- No, sorry, you are incorrect. The felony charges were not “dismissed.” They were plead down. That’s why Neil Derry could not vote on many county issues. Do a google search yourself and see. I don’t have time right now to grab the relevant articles but there are so many that it shouldn’t be hard for you to find. And I think they’ve been posted on previous posts in this blog too so do your homework and see for yourself.
Also the charge that Ramos fabricated charges are laughable, because these charges come from 3 years ago, long before Ramos was in the race, and if he was truly innocent he would not have plead them out. Tip, it’s a lot more effective if you respond with facts rather than responding for responding sake.Using arguments that make no logical sense destroy your credibility.
Carpetbagging- Where a candidate lives is a genuine issue. You can call it petty, but I think it’s up for the voters to decide if it’s relevant or not, don’t you? Personally I think it’s relevant because it’s important for our local representatives to know the people and the district they are representing, otherwise how can they be an effective representative for their district? It just makes logical sense, and frankly carpgetbagging the way Miller is just makes him look sketchy. Sorry if I struck a nerve but that’s the way I see it, and I know for a fact I’m not alone in that even though your boss pays you to say otherwise. If the voters truly don’t think it’s relevant then they won’t let it affect their votes. But I think they do think it’s relevant, and I think you think they do too based on the harshness of your response. By the way, I could look up a number for anger management classes for you if you want.
BTW in case you weren’t aware, pleading down = pleading guilty, so if Derry is willing to plead guilty to doing something wrong, then clearly charges are not “fabricated” let alone fabricated by a candidate who would not file to run against him for another 3 years…lol.
Anonymous #42:
I am not an “apologist for political and developer corruption.”
As far as developers go, I have said on the record many times that if the prosecution can prove their case in The Colonies matter, I support the maximum penalty. However, so far they are going in the opposite direction.
As to political corruption, I have never supported it. I have also said on the record that I believe that District Attorney Mike Ramos is corrupt, and has used taxpayer money to selectively prosecute his political enemies. He is, in my opinion, a disgrace.
As to Neil Derry’s discussions with DA investigators, can you provide any factual basis for your claim that he “re-canted” his story? What is the source of your insight into his state of mind that allows you to say that he was “thinking he was only going to get a fine?”
Based on everything I have seen, Mr. Derry cooperated fully with the investigators, since he did not believe he did anything wrong. Don’t forget that the $5,000 campaign contribution was fully reported. To me, this is a textbook case of a politically driven selective prosecution.
Fact Checker:
Regarding comment #44, no I was not aware that “pleading down = pleading guilty.”
I guess that means that the Attorney General “plead guilty” to filing false felony charges against Mr. Derry, since they dismissed them when they “plead down.”
Fact Checker:
Also regarding comment #44, do you really believe that James Ramos did not decide to run until right before he filed?
I believe that Mike Ramos put this plan into motion soon after Neil Derry defeated Dennis Hansberger and it became clear that Mr. Derry would not be intimidated by Mike Ramos.
Fact Checker:
Regarding Comment #43, you either need a new name or need to actually “check” the “facts.”
If you review the court records, you will see that the felony charges against Neil Derry were dismissed.
As to your claim that if he was innocent he would have fought the charges, he did fight them. There is a video of Mr. Derry himself explaining what happened on YouTube.
Had he not agreed with the deal that Judge Dest negotiated with the AG, James Ramos could be talking about the “felony charges” hanging over his head. Either way, Mike Ramos would have achieved his objective.
Hopefully the voters will see the prosecution for what it was, just as Judge Dest did.
@Stephen…you contradict yourself!
1. You call yourself VICTORIOUS in believing you “struck a nerve,” yet
2. You call your efforts here A “WASTE OF TIME” and you bail out.
If you truly felt you were correct about your candidate, and were in fact VICTORIOUS making waves and even perhaps changing minds; then you would not run away when we EXPOSE THE TRUE FACTS OF YOUR CANDIDATE.
You would want to clear his name, but you yourself realize there is NO DEFENSE for Dutton’s actions, or his betrayal in endorsing the likes of James Ramos- I sympathize with your silent disappointment in him.
Sorry for the slow response, LONG work day
Pleading charges down from felonies to misdemeanors IS pleading guilty. When you plead down, you plead guilty to a lesser offense. Any elected official who would plead guilty in court clearly did something wrong. When you’re elected, your integrity is your most important asset, so why tarnish it unnecessarily by pleading guilty to something you didn’t do. Again, LOGIC.
RE: Your claim that Mike Ramos had some secret agenda to slime Derry, Ramos let the state AG handle it to avoid any conflict of interest. Source: http://www.pe.com/local-news/san-bernardino-county/san-bernardino-county-headlines-index/20110427-neil-derry-charged-in-corruption-case.ece
Felony charges being dropped were part of his plea deal that he took. Source: http://www.pe.com/local-news/san-bernardino-county/san-bernardino-county-headlines-index/20120123-s.b.-county-voting-suspension-ends-for-supervisor-neil-derry.ece (you can also
Derry is currently on probation, source: http://redlands.patch.com/articles/neil-derry-pleads-guilty
If you still don’t believe he’s dirty, Derry went back to court to try to get the terms of his probation modified, a judge rejected it: http://www.pe.com/local-news/politics/imran-ghori-headlines/20120813-san-bernardino-county-judge-denies-derry-probation-changes.ece unless you want to say the judge was politically motivated (judges are non-political jobs and aren’t even allowed to attend political functions) clearly there’s evidence of wrong doing lest a judge would grant his request.
Clearly, Derry violated the public trust (fact, not opinion) and in my humble opinion, it’s not suspect to not endorse a candidate who is currently on parole. It’s just common sense. For your own political agenda you’re welcome to disagree with me but any unbiased reader I believe will agree with me on that. So your claim that there’s no reason to endorse Ramos is simply not true.
By the way, in a Republican district, as the incumbent, Derry only got 33% of the vote. Ramos got nearly 50% and another candidate who ran a virtually nonexistent campaign took 20% simply because he was a Republican that wasn’t Derry. Case closed.
get back to DUTTON! So why did he endorse the
DEMOCRAT RAMOS?????????
Fact Checker:
1) I disagree that “Pleading charges down from felonies to misdemeanors IS pleading guilty.” Bill Postmus plead guilty to taking a bribe, and later told the F.B.I. that he was not bribed.
2) I agree that Mike Ramos turned the prosecution over to the Attorney General to avoid any conflict. The Attorney General is the one who decided to dismiss the felony charges.
3) What is wrong with Neil Derry going back and trying to get the probation reduced? I suspect that this occurres many times a day in courtrooms all over the state.
4) In my opinion, Mike Ramos committed a far worse FPPC violation than he accused Mr. Derry of. He only received a fine. Why didn’t the Attorney General prosecute him?
In my opinion, Neil Derry is and has never been “dirty.” If James Ramos wins, it will certainly not be because he is qualified to be a County Supervisor.
If he does win, please join “Repairman” and Red Anonymous in reporting back in a year on how he’s doing.