Tom Mitchell
Created: 08/17/2011 05:23:56 PM PDT
Just when we believed we are moving beyond the Pomierski influence in Upland politics, opponents to candidate Thouvenell take a page out of JP’s playbook. As a campaign committee veteran to Upland campaigns up against the-ex mayor, I witnessed firsthand how campaign fliers rife with outright lies would be distributed at the last minute so that the target of the lies could not respond in time to set the record straight before voters cast their vote. Such is the case this week, with a flier being distributed disparaging candidate Thouvenell. Lies and altered photos fill the flier. Of course what is missing is who is responsible for the flier. Anonymity makes casting lies much easier. This not the kind of leadership we want in Upland.
We are now paying the price for this kind of irresponsible behavior from a nice guy who everyone liked on the soccer fields.
Or perhaps you have based your decision on the one controversial case involving Mr. Thouvenell, a dirt pile and a business owner with a record of conviction for domestic violence. If you knew “the rest of the story,” you would side with the original court which upheld the arrest decision by the district attorney. Remember, it was the DA’s office, after extensive review of the facts, not our Upland police, who made the decision issue the warrant to make an arrest.
Thirty years of service, and this one questionable case is all the other candidates can find fault?
Let’s not forget, it was Mr. Thouvenell who first informed the FBI on the irregularities and possible illegal activities by our city leaders as far back as 2003. Do you really believe he would act irresponsibly after bringing the prying eyes of the FBI to Upland?
It is disappointing to think your vote may go to any candidate with no civic experience, no past participation in city matters, little if any attendance at council meetings, only because he or she is a nice person who is good interacting with the public and wants to get involved. Is that all it takes to be qualified? I have heard we need more women involved in city politics.
No experience necessary, just be a nice person of the right gender. We elected a president because he was a nice guy, spoke well and was very personable. Billions of dollars later and no end in sight of these troubled times, didn’t we learn a lesson about what unproven leadership could cost us?
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Tom Mitchell – another one of the good ole boys of Upland! Just the kind of people we need to clean out of our city!
Why is it the same names always “pop up” during election time?
THE GOOD OLE BOT NETWORK of Upland!! And Mr. Mitchell you are part of it and part of the problem!
THE GOOD OLE BOY NETWORK of Upland!! And Mr. mitchell you are part of the problem!
Question for the people of Upland. How is it your Fire Chief can be awarded a contract for $78,163 before he has even retired from the City?
Aren’t you suppose to retire, collect your pension benefits and be done and move on?
Look at this one people. The Upland Fire Chief has been awarded a “contract for services” for $78,163 before he has even retired!
Doesn’t even sound legal being awarded a contract of $78 thousand dollars doing the same job after you retire, before you even retire. And the contract monies comes out of the funds of the Fire Department that the Fire Chief is in charge of!
No wonder the City of Upland is in the sad position they are in!
“On Item #5, Staff Report dated August 13, 2011. Table #2 – “City of Upland Detailed Revenue and Appropriation Ammendments”. Page 11 of 11. Why was item 101-400-35xx-42xx Fire Chief Contract – $78,163 not addressed within the rest of the Staff report as the other positions were? Was this item hidden for approval? Why another $78,163 for the Fire Chief? Why was this item or position not addressed within the Staff Report? Once again, why was this item hidden for approval?”
Is this illegal or just non-ethical? No matter, it is wrong!
A quote from above.
“Remember, it was the DA’s office, after extensive review of the facts, not our Upland police, who made the decision issue the warrant to make an arrest”.
I wasn’t going to comment on this until I read the above. It clearly appears the writer DID NOT read the transcript of the 9th Circuit where it clearly explained the DDA who got the warrant DID NOT answer or would NOT answer the tuff question of WAS he pressured into filing the case in the first place!! The DDA declined to answer by claiming “work product privledge” READ it for yourself.
Second Mr.Thouvenell was not an angel as Chief of Police as to how he treated some of his personnel. I provided the links for one to read so they could make up their own mind. Of course one can consider My2Cents analogy on what to believe also.
So the point is, Mr.Thouvenell’s decision making has cost the city some serious money in damages and attorney’s fees. JUST like JP and Q.
OKAY so Beck has been convicted of domestic abuse, that means WHAT? He had no standing to sue the City? Anyone in the judicial system knows MANY convicted felons and career criminals have sued and won countless times for being the victim of one’s misconduct, A BASELESS arguement.
Thouvenell was found to be liable for his CONDUCT by the court. Or is Beck’s conviction have a higher VALUE? A SPIN FOR SURE!!!
Most you read where Mr.Thouvenell chimmed in here tell me to call or email him to settle or discuss our differences on my commentary.
I email him immediately upon reading that. I received NO RESPONSE on the email.
What we saw shortly there after was My2Cents appear and eventually calls me out by name. Hmmm, they say their not Marty, but they know me? YOU decide what all that is about.
I am sure more than one person call Marty up to tell him who I was eventually. So was Marty standing over My2Cents shoulder as they pounded the keyboard. I think so.
Nothing like Mr.Thouvenll grabbing the bull by the horns on such a simple situation.
KUDOS to Mr.Thouvenell for calling the FBI about JP, but who can verifie that is true?
I wonder if Marty has any regrets on his contact with the FBI based on the fallout it caused for Chief Adams? NO DOUBT Marty groomed or supported Chief Adams in his future endeavor!
ACU – you are a complete fool.
JP is D-O-N-E
Question for the people of Upland. How is it your Fire Chief can be awarded a contract for $78,163 before he has even retired from the City?
Aren’t you suppose to retire, collect your pension benefits and be done and move on?
Look at this one people. The Upland Fire Chief has been awarded a “contract for services” for $78,163 before he has even retired!
Doesn’t even sound legal being awarded a contract of $78 thousand dollars doing the same job after you retire, before you even retire. And the contract monies comes out of the funds of the Fire Department that the Fire Chief is in charge of!
No wonder the City of Upland is in the sad position they are in!
“On Item #5, Staff Report dated August 13, 2011. Table #2 – “City of Upland Detailed Revenue and Appropriation Ammendments”. Page 11 of 11. Why was item 101-400-35xx-42xx Fire Chief Contract – $78,163 not addressed within the rest of the Staff report as the other positions were? Was this item hidden for approval? Why another $78,163 for the Fire Chief? Why was this item or position not addressed within the Staff Report? Once again, why was this item hidden for approval?”
Is this illegal or just non-ethical? No matter, it is wrong!
ACU- Thank you for the invite to speak again this morning.
So here is the fact that you fail to grasp as well when you try to interpret the 9th circuit appeals court opinion.
This case and opinion you like to throw around as fact was not a case that went to trial. The 9th circuit court of appeals had multiple judges that gave some pro and some negative assessment of the case and the evidence. You and others who make this sound like a judgment are wrong. In order to have an appeal, you have to have already lost in one court case and then take it to a higher authority. Mr. Beck was working his way up the chain, and found a possible (That is possible) argument against his arrest. As many cities do in cases every day, like today for instance, the city made the decision not to continue with a trial and spend more money fighting it. It was determined by lawyers on both sides what was amicable to Mr. Beck and that was that.
Now you pull up an appeals court opinion of case worthiness and are making a decorated officer sound like a criminal. Sorry. As a former police officer you should know that there will always be a defense lawyer out there that will make any arrest look wrong or ill gotten. The police do not act alone. The DA was very involved in the case. And no… the DA does not have to answer to you or any other blogger. If you want to question their decisions you have to go through the court system. That is the way it works.
This is not an analogy.
I agree with pay to play. You have been spending way to much of your time bloging and not involving yourself in the real world. You should get a real job, if you can, and start being a functional, contributing member of your community. I type what I want, when I want. Just like you and everyone else who contributes on this site. Marty isn’t the only one who knows you. This site has given you an inflated ego and I think you overestimate your ability as an authority in anything.
@FedUp-
Question. How is Tom Mitchell a “Good-ole-boy”? Is it because he worked with the current Mayor Ray Musser on his campaigns? You sure don’t know Tom very well. If anything he is just as concerned of a citizen as you. With the exception that he makes the effort to volunteer his valuable off work time to serve his community.
This term “Good-ole-boy network of Upland”… Do you even know who THEY are? Is it the good people of the city that donate money to projects like the YMCA or the Hospital? Is it the Police and Fire that are there to protect you when you need it? Is it some mystical group of rich old dudes living north of 16th street you don’t like? Is the the Unions?
If you think that some person or group who controls Upland and decides what your future will be, you are pretty delusional. You read way too many Dan Brown books. If it is about money and influence in who people support at election time and how they run their campaigns then you should start running in a better class of friends.
Join a local civic group and donate some of your time to your community and start working alongside the folks you label as the Good-ole-boys. Maybe you will realize that if it weren’t for the outstanding individuals who dedicate their time and hard earned money to the community projects you so despise, Upland would not exist. There is no conspiracy or “Upland Elite”. Just a lot of paranoia from the ones who don’t want to have to do the real work of building their communities from within.
Sincerely,
Active and Concerned Citizens Upland
@My2cents – Your words: “If you think that some person or group who controls Upland and decides what your future will be, you are pretty delusional.”
I’m not delusional. That’s exactly how Upland works! A select group, “the good ole boys” of Upland control the vast majority of the governmental actions within Upland.
You are the one that is delusional if you think this is not true. Just look at your City – about 25 people control the governmental strings of Upland for about 75,000. Do not try to deny this. These so called “elite”, “good ole boys” (however you want to label them) persons are the same before, during and after each election.
Once again your words: “If it is about money and influence in who people support at election time and how they run their campaigns”. That is exactly what it is about.
@My2cents – Why don’t you spend your efforts on correcting the problems of Upland, instead of defending the problems of Upland. SomeoneWhoKnows brought up the following:
Question for the people of Upland. How is it your Fire Chief can be awarded a contract for $78,163 before he has even retired from the City?
Aren’t you suppose to retire, collect your pension benefits and be done and move on?
Look at this one people. The Upland Fire Chief has been awarded a “contract for services” for $78,163 before he has even retired!
Doesn’t even sound legal being awarded a contract of $78 thousand dollars doing the same job after you retire, before you even retire. And the contract monies comes out of the funds of the Fire Department that the Fire Chief is in charge of!
No wonder the City of Upland is in the sad position they are in!
“On Item #5, Staff Report dated August 13, 2011. Table #2 – “City of Upland Detailed Revenue and Appropriation Ammendments”. Page 11 of 11. Why was item 101-400-35xx-42xx Fire Chief Contract – $78,163 not addressed within the rest of the Staff report as the other positions were? Was this item hidden for approval? Why another $78,163 for the Fire Chief? Why was this item or position not addressed within the Staff Report? Once again, why was this item hidden for approval?”
Is this illegal or just non-ethical? No matter, it is wrong
My2cents, what do you have to say about this?
As a long time Upland Business owner I had concerns about Thouvenall. No one spends 30 years in public service without controversy and making enemies. Marty did reach out to me, sit down with me, and explain his positions. He was the only candidate to do so. He certainly appears committed to cleaning up the corruption in our town. He certainly has the experience and intelligence to see it and do something about it. Unlike others in office that either knew or were just too dull to realize what was going on. He shared with me his vesion and his commitment for change. I don’t see a better candidate on the slate.
As for the hit pieces, too little, too late, a desperate attempt to try to buy an election through negative campaigning,by not so anonymous individuals. (all are members of the chamber of commerce).
Fedup-
I was refering to Mr. Mitchell. You accuse him of being in this club. He is not. I do know that a few people seem to have the reasources to support the candidates that they choose durring and election. That is their 1st Amendmet right. You know, the amendment you like to bring up about the Beck case. Even when it is not a right of citizens to pick fights with police officers. Thats not covered in the constitution.
As for the fire thing, I think I have said it before, if you think there is some illegal activity going on with the fire department and how they are cooking the books, then file a civil suit against the city. Just like the Beck case, if you have any possibility of winning they will settle and change the items your not happy about.
The Fire Truck is a fine target for your blogs, but the Ontario Police Choppers and the unmentioned Fire Helicopter that pads Mr. Cables pocket is the next biggest issue. Why dont you have a problem with a useless hilcopter that Upland doens’t need? We are reducing response staff on the ground in Upland and keeping a helicopter that makes money serving the rest of San Bernadino County? That is a bad deal too. Why are we hiring a new department heads when we are supposed to be cutting our staff costs? You are missing some of the other details that dont make sense.
I really wish you the best of luck with your crusades. You and ACU could be really effective if you stop listening to the people who feed you information and physically involve yourseves in the future of the city.
I work from within the system to effect change and drive our city forward. I dont just complain.
My2cents, if there is no merit to the 9th Circuit opinion that there was justification for the case to go forward, why did the city pay well over $300k to Beck? Most likely because they would lose if it went to trial.
Any why is Thouvenell continually citing that Beck is a ‘convicted felon’ as if said conviction had anything to do with the Beck vs Upland case. It didn’t, and as ACU said, it is a baseless argument. If the police overstepped their authority, Beck had grounds to sue, in spite of any previous legal issues he may have had that were unrelated to the no-bid contract dispute that Beck had with the city.
Thouvenell used this argument at the forum a couple weeks ago, inferring that Beck’s felony record had something to do with the case. It does not and those that took the time to read the 9th Circuit’s opinion understand that it does not. A cheap political ploy to spin things is all it was.
“Active and Concerned Citizens Upland” should get active and do some research. If they did, they’d see that Thouvenell is not the right candidate.
@My2cents – You better look at my previous postings. I do not say anything about the Beck case. I have said nothing about any of the current candidates. Whoever wins, I sincerley hope will clean up the problems of Upland, instead of becoming part of them.
Here is the best thing of all. I agree with you about the other issues you have addressed. I just believe that whoever is elected needs to be independent and not part of the same old system that Upland has had for years!
@FedUp- My bad. My reason for existing today on this blog was really a resposne to the Good old Boys network of Upland thing. I cant dissagree with that enough. If you know who you are talking about, and I do, then you would know that the rich guys that give money to people when they get elected are the same ones who build all the community projects in this town. How they spend thier money is thier business.
I think you told me you didn’t want to voice on the Marty thing once. That’s cool.
The feeling I get from everyone is that there is alot of animosity and not alot of constructive planning on how to fix any of the problems. Like him or not, Thouvenell does have the expereince needed and has a goal of getting this city back on track.
Likewise on the Fire truck or what ever your current war with the city is, either get serious and file a complaint or find someone to do it for you. I have not seen anything about the city being challenged on the validaty of the ladder truck in the courts or at city hall. Blogging here is just venting if you are not going to champion the cause.
@play by play YES your right JP is done, I know that, sorry you thought I said otherwise.
@My2Cents,
The 9th’s opinion and comments were a reversal of the lower courts decision not to hold the City officials liable for their conduct. 3 or more justices reviewed the evidence as presented by both sides, is generally better than the 1 judge who made his original decision.
The higher courts opinion is the one that stands and the 9th said the case can proceed to trail. The cities defense was “governmental imunity” and the 9th said Marty and crew were liable for their actions.
I saw nothing in that courts opinion that was favorable to Thouvenell. The 9th’s opinion was also based on the TRIAL transcripts and oral arguements by both attorneys.
But here is the bottom line My2Cents, LET’S LET the readers read the case for themselves. If they wish to side with your analogy, fine by me.
Like I said your pal Marty made the challenge to me on this blog, I MET the challenge and responded. YOUR pal did not. I think your Thouvenell and don’t have the fortitude to “man up”.
Hmmm, who has the ego??
So feel free to leave your REAL name and phone number or email, as YOUR friend did. I’ll meet the challange again.
@ACU- You made the statement earlier.
“Thouvenell was found to be liable for his CONDUCT by the court.”
If he was then why did the court not prossicute? Oh yeah you anserwed that one too.
“The higher courts opinion is the one that stands and the 9th said the case can proceed to trail.”
That is the crux of the point I made. You are referencing an appelate oppinion on wheather the case should proceed as evidence of guilt or a percieved conviction to an officers record.
You or I will never know what the outcome would be because it did not go to trial and the lawyers decided to settle. Not the Chief or the Police Department. Just like trying to blame the DA. You cant claim they are covering up because they wont explain themselves to you. They dont have to. They really do have immunity from that. You have to challenge them in court to get any real infromation.
“So feel free to leave your REAL name and phone number or email, as YOUR friend did. I’ll meet the challange again.”
LOL. Now where would there be any fun in that?
Thouvenell’s actions were deemed to be a civil tort, not criminal misconduct. Your options are to sue, not put Marty in jail.
Have all the fun you want with me, water off a duck’s back.
Good day!!!!
ACU- C’mon man. This is all just entertainment. Don’t get so serious.
I am laughing, trust me.
ACU – You stated, “So the point is, Mr.Thouvenell’s decision making has cost the city some serious money in damages and attorney’s fees. JUST like JP and Q.”
If you knew all the facts, you would know that JP had his greasy hands in the settlement. He was paid. Enough said. Get your facts straight or shut the hell up.
Pigs – You wrote, “…if there is no merit to the 9th Circuit opinion that there was justification for the case to go forward, why did the city pay well over $300k to Beck? Most likely because they would lose if it went to trial.”
I will try to answer your question: JP drove the settlement against the advice of the attornies. JP had his greasy hands in the pie. Hmmmm… that sounds familiar. Translation, JP cheated the City. What a concept! The Beck dumping case should have never been settled. The best news is yet to come. Beck arrested again! Guest what? Beck is going back to jail (he may be there now) and his illegal dump site next to Cable’s noisy airport is growing. Next we will hear that the cleanup is the responsibility of Upland PD? Maybe… Upland taxpayers may end up with the bill on this one of course. Next please.
Fed up – You wrote: “…Mitchell another one of the good ole boys of Upland.” Definitely you are out of the ballpark on this one.
play by play, NO FACTS other than your mouth telling us. NO mention of the Mayor in the court record in anyway. YOU are the only one to date tell us JP was involved in this case to date.
Go back and read all the postings regarding this matter RIGHT here on this blog.
YOUR the idiot!!!!
ACU – bla bla bla. Get a real job.
@Pigs, if Thouvenell made that argument in a public forum he was foolish, and is attempting to redirect the attention off the facts and himself. If that is all that he has for an argument, then he has NOTHING!!!
Obvious Thouvenell didn’t learn anything from the Rodney King case. A career criminal who received $3 Million from the City of LA!!! The world knew King was a crook, did it help the City? NOPE!!!
Maybe Thouvenell can submit some official court papers, specifically the transcript of the first hearing or the 9th’s opinion and show the public where Beck being a convicted felon was argued and discussed in either court?
DON’T forget Thouvenell had issues with the Upland Police Association while he was Chief of Police. If you look at those links I provided, you MIGHT see a pattern of conduct there too. One might conclude bad decision making skills or just a good old tyrant at work?
YOU BET the City decided to settle or as play by play suggest JP did because if the City had gone to jury trial the damages could have been tremendous.
How does one decide to defend this case with a compelling opinion that most of us read as to what REALLY happened.
It appears Thouvenell isn’t doing to well as far as dealing with those who are challenging him. He isn’t use to it. When he was in charge it was simply, “my way or the highway” or out right retaliation if one did.
It’s difficult to do that with citizens, a citizen who is a convicted FELON just did it when Marty tried the “my way or the highway”.
But if Marty wins the election and he may very well, then we can sit back and see what happens when he gets back in the drivers seat or shall we say one of them.
You people are a bunch of little old ladies!!!
@My2cents – Why must a citizen sue the government in-order to make the government do what they should be doing to begin with? That is why Upland is so screwed up, (not only Upland, take a look at the county and the Country)and the “good ole boys”. Your line of thinking is why Upland needs new government leaders. It is people like you that are going to be part of the past. People, including myself, are FedUp with current government and all the corruption in it. Politically correct is not another way to say “I’m lying to your face and you can’t do anything about it.”
No way in hell should I have to sue the government to make the government do the right thing. I.e. Ladder Truck
The point I am trying to make about Thouvenell’s handling of the Beck is that his and the city’s consistent mishandling of situations costs us, the taxpayers, money. The issue is not whether the city was wrong about Beck’s code violations or Chronic Cantina’s problems. It is the heavy-handed way in which they deal with them that gets us into trouble, time and time again. We need level-headed leaders that handle situations effectively, not a bunch of tyrannical narcissists.
Fedup-
You have 2 options. Run for office or get appointed to a position where you actually have some authority. Or you can take the issue to some one who does and get them to champion it for you. Either way, they have to make someones head roll before any change can be effected. You can’t complain and get them to listen. They dont care and neither to the majority of voters. Its not about a good ole boys network. It’s the way ALL local governments and even most of the big ones work. And unless there is something in it for the person doing the changing, you wont see anything get done. You cant be a boy scout and be in politics. You wont last or be effective.
@My2cents – And that is what is wrong with our government, thinking like that! That’s not a shot at you, and I do realize that is reality, but it is a sad day when our government is what you just described!
That is in business too. Except no one gets to vote. It is what it is. I know its not a shot at me. I dont want to give my ulcers the extra stress of dealing with this crap. Which is why I am glad I am just a citizen. I just like firing ACU up all the time. LOL
Tom Mitchell is an egotistical wannabe and Ray’s puppet. The plan crafted for the 2012 election is Filippi will run for mayor and have the endorsement of Thouvenall and Musser. Mitchell will take a shot at the open council position, with the same endorsements. Filippi has been a staunch supporter for Thouvenall because Thouvenall has already agreed to support Filippi for mayor. Good ole boys club continues.
For someone who knows you are pretty off on that one. I know the plan and that is not it. You have alot of that backwards.
Hate to disappoint you My2Cents but your not getting my goat in the least. But if you think so based on reading words, I AM happy for you.
ACU- Its ok. I was a little worried about your blood pressure yesterday. If we didn’t get a chance to spar then what would be the point of this site?
LOL My2Cents you have eluded more than once to knowing about me, so far the only thing that you have gotten right was my last name and you spelled that wrong the first time. Everything else your using the WAG method.
Based on that, now I understand why you wish to remain anonymous.
Your retired NYPD Detective father has informed you about law enforcement issues, your a business man, have the best lawn in Upland, NO DOUBT your well informed. LOL!!!!
@My2Cents, your comment is interesting. Do you really know the plan or are you just guessing like the rest of us? With amusement, I read “the plan crafted for the 2012 election” from “AlsoSomeOneWhoKnows.” Just today I asked my boyfriend (retired from Upland PD many years ago)who he voted for. I wasn’t too surprised when he told me Marty. One discussion led to another and then he told me he thought Marty would probably run for mayor were he to win the council seat. I tend to agree with him. You said “AlsoSomeOneWhoKnows” has it backwards. So, is Marty running for mayor the plan?
Another thing, I asked my BF about the Upland ladder truck being at Vince’s – less than a block outside the City – and he said there was nothing wrong with that. Unless policy has changed, when he was with the PD, they could go just outside the city (obviously not miles away, there was a limit), as long as they responded to any calls that came in. I asked him if he was sure about that and he said “yes.” Now think about it. As big as the ladder truck is, I find it hard to believe they would park it right out in the open for all to see if they were breaking policy. They also have to know that you guys are hiding behind every bush, just waiting to say “gotcha.” Nice try, though.
@Get Real – I see you are still an idiot. What’s the differnce between a police car and a ladder truck? A police car has one officer and responds very easily to anywhere needed within the city.
The ladder truck has a crew of three and is assigned to a certain area of the city for the initial protection of that area. How long do you think it would have taken the Ladder truck to respond to the very northeast portion of Upland from Vince’s Spaghetti? Good thing we have a professional emergency response organization like Rancho to back up what stupidity Upland does. I.e. a ladder truck that can’t put out a fire, a ladder truck that goes out of the city for their selfish convienence.
Oh, by the way, they did break Fire Department and City polcy! And the worse part, they definetly placed lives at risk. Inexcusable!
I am not sure how much “Someone that Knows” really knows. If you want to know Marty’s plan just ask him. He has every intention to run for mayor. He is not going to support anyone but himself. Not his personality. As for Beck, he handled it wrong, no question. I haven’t seen too many of our officials handle much of anything right over the years. I still think he is the best candidate overall. Since he is filling in a vacant position, we will all have the opportunity to vote him out if I am wrong.
I too have heard the Filipi for the mayoral run with Thouvenall backing him in 2012, while Filipi backs him now. Mike Milheiser is running Thouvenall’s council campaign. If Thouvenal is elected mayor in 2012, does that mean he will push for Milheiser as city manager? YIKES!
The ladder truck was not at vinces, it was an engine who’s response district ends across the street from vinces. they went in, got their food, and left back to their station. This is confirmed information. If you wish to continue to trash those guys,please at least get your facts straight
“Trash those guys”, I think they trashed themselves by doing what they did. Just shows the unprofessionalism of the Upland Fire Department!
@YIKES Don’t you think it would make a really cozy old boys club? Mayor Marty and his minions Gino and Mark Cheighton, just add team jackets, and it’s JP version 2. As an upgrade they know how to avoid the prying eyes of the FBI now that Gino has successfully avoided prosecution. Business will be back to status quo in Upland in no time!
UO- get your facts straight old man. JP is going to prison. Marty called the FBI.
I have my facts straight. While Marty might have called the Feds, that doesn’t mean he is clean. He has accepted campaign money from a large number of JP’s supporters. He is just JP in cleaner clothes. I can’t wait to see the campaign money that gets reported after the fact in Marty and Gino’s reports at the end of the year. Too bad it will be post election. Remember that the people who voted for JP the first time (myself included) thought he was the right guy.
UO- If you are going to throw accusations like that around. I would also like you to show which of the former JP supporters are now on Bob Cables and Debbie Stones list. Many of the people who supported JP are now giving thier money to different people. Your “conspiracy” of JPisms is empty and means absolutly nothing.
Upland Observer: Your love for the infamous Bob Cable (your drinking buddy?) is obvious… get a life and stop driving around your beater circus truck with the dumb flags and sign in the back. You are blocking traffic and polluting the City of Gracious Living.
M2C – Not unusual for business people to move their campain donations to the candidate they feel are the right person at the time. I am sure that many of the doners will give money to whomever asks for it to assure they are on that persons good side if they are elected.
UUO – You must have me confused with someone else.