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> <channel><title>Comments on: InlandPolitics: S.B. County: Ramos investigation doesn&#8217;t add up &#8211; Part 1</title> <atom:link href="http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/</link> <description>Politics, Government and Business in Southern California&#039;s Inland Empire</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 09:55:56 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: Unwilling...</title><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-386</link> <dc:creator>Unwilling...</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:45:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/?p=2181#comment-386</guid> <description>ACU has a good, albeit misguided point. Ristow was only the tip of the iceberg for the abuses of office occurring in the B of I. We now why Neil went after their cars, and the lame reason given by B of I for the necessity of said cars, but what other transgression did staff get away with while B of I admin turned a blind eye?
Maybe some golf on County time? Long lunch trips to the gym and hospitality eateries? Or how about, going home early because there is nothing to do and you are bored? And the tracking mechanism for all these honest Abe&#039;s; a dry erase board with sign out notes. Hell, if you have a cell phone and a pager, why would you need to be at work?
Moral ambiguity by all parties involved is hard to use as ammo for dismissal, but blatant theft of public funds by lying on your time sheet is cause for immediate dismissal. Let&#039;s go after this guy with something other than salacious gossip.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACU has a good, albeit misguided point. Ristow was only the tip of the iceberg for the abuses of office occurring in the B of I. We now why Neil went after their cars, and the lame reason given by B of I for the necessity of said cars, but what other transgression did staff get away with while B of I admin turned a blind eye?</p><p>Maybe some golf on County time? Long lunch trips to the gym and hospitality eateries? Or how about, going home early because there is nothing to do and you are bored? And the tracking mechanism for all these honest Abe&#8217;s; a dry erase board with sign out notes. Hell, if you have a cell phone and a pager, why would you need to be at work?</p><p>Moral ambiguity by all parties involved is hard to use as ammo for dismissal, but blatant theft of public funds by lying on your time sheet is cause for immediate dismissal. Let&#8217;s go after this guy with something other than salacious gossip.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JC</title><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-379</link> <dc:creator>JC</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:32:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/?p=2181#comment-379</guid> <description>At least one former employee of Ramos&#039; office reports having told told him to keep his [whatever-you-want-to-call-it in print] in his pants. My guess is that, if all his skeletons stood up at the same time, it would look like a Halloween party with Ramos in a Tiger Woods outfit.
Character is a rare commodity these days. My experience is that not a lot of attorneys possess it, particularly government attorneys. How about it, ladies; this is a chance to vindicate yourselves by doing the right thing and clearing the air, if there is anything to be admitted with apologies to the people who paid your salaries and benefits and to stand by another woman who may be experiencing worse than you did?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least one former employee of Ramos&#8217; office reports having told told him to keep his [whatever-you-want-to-call-it in print] in his pants. My guess is that, if all his skeletons stood up at the same time, it would look like a Halloween party with Ramos in a Tiger Woods outfit.</p><p>Character is a rare commodity these days. My experience is that not a lot of attorneys possess it, particularly government attorneys. How about it, ladies; this is a chance to vindicate yourselves by doing the right thing and clearing the air, if there is anything to be admitted with apologies to the people who paid your salaries and benefits and to stand by another woman who may be experiencing worse than you did?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AntiCorruptionUnit</title><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-376</link> <dc:creator>AntiCorruptionUnit</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:10:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/?p=2181#comment-376</guid> <description>I am now on page 63 of this report.
One big question not asked by these awesome high paid attorney&#039;s is, if Ristow&#039;s work performance issue being out of the office so much is such a big deal now, why wasn&#039;t it a big deal when it started happening? Tattoo issue included.
Seems this long practice of Ristow being gone was never acted upon for a VERY long time. WOULD that be because she was dating Ramos at the time and being gone because she might have been with him?
Gee don&#039;t ask that question.
Or did those witnesses/supervisors not have the fortitude to deal with the problem when it first popped up simply because Ristow was protected at the time?
Like we are to believe these supervisors are going to mess with the bosses girlfriend. I&#039;ve seen that myself with both men and woman who are the bosses fair haired child.
Why wasn&#039;t Ristow&#039;s alledged behavorial problems dealt with then and there?  Only now does it seems to be of concern to the brass. Did anyone say to Ramos, &quot;hey boss your squeeze is starting to have an attitude and is upsetting the staff&quot;?
ARE we to believe that there wasn&#039;t any talk among employees about Ristow and the other ladies in Ramos&#039;s life prior to the Sentinal article?
I think this report thus far is insulting to one&#039;s basic intelligence that has worked within the County. The general public might think this is an awesome report, no doubt a couple of the papers do. BUT the papers have no clue of the culture within.
Thus far it reads like Stringer and Lamberto have their arms up these investigators fanny like two sock puppets doing the talking.
If this is another Stringer strategy, it sucks.
It is obvious Ramos lied to investigators, based on that issue alone, these investigators should have dug deeper and been more aggressive with the other managers and asked some very matter of fact questions.
Generally once you catch the primary suspect/witness/informant lying, all bets are off and the case is tainted.
Ramos lied about the affair, but everyone else is telling the truth about the retaliation, or should we say the conspiracy to discredit Ristow before the Ramos affairs got to far out of hand.
Might I remind our readers of Erwin&#039;s allegations about the Ramos affairs as at least one motive for his prosecution. There is clear evidence to suggest that by the People&#039;s own witnesses.
You decide if Ramos&#039;s conduct towards certain BOS members and staff suggest subtle intimidation about this investigation from the start.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am now on page 63 of this report.</p><p>One big question not asked by these awesome high paid attorney&#8217;s is, if Ristow&#8217;s work performance issue being out of the office so much is such a big deal now, why wasn&#8217;t it a big deal when it started happening? Tattoo issue included.</p><p>Seems this long practice of Ristow being gone was never acted upon for a VERY long time. WOULD that be because she was dating Ramos at the time and being gone because she might have been with him?</p><p>Gee don&#8217;t ask that question.</p><p>Or did those witnesses/supervisors not have the fortitude to deal with the problem when it first popped up simply because Ristow was protected at the time?</p><p>Like we are to believe these supervisors are going to mess with the bosses girlfriend. I&#8217;ve seen that myself with both men and woman who are the bosses fair haired child.</p><p>Why wasn&#8217;t Ristow&#8217;s alledged behavorial problems dealt with then and there?  Only now does it seems to be of concern to the brass. Did anyone say to Ramos, &#8220;hey boss your squeeze is starting to have an attitude and is upsetting the staff&#8221;?</p><p>ARE we to believe that there wasn&#8217;t any talk among employees about Ristow and the other ladies in Ramos&#8217;s life prior to the Sentinal article?</p><p>I think this report thus far is insulting to one&#8217;s basic intelligence that has worked within the County. The general public might think this is an awesome report, no doubt a couple of the papers do. BUT the papers have no clue of the culture within.</p><p>Thus far it reads like Stringer and Lamberto have their arms up these investigators fanny like two sock puppets doing the talking.</p><p>If this is another Stringer strategy, it sucks.</p><p>It is obvious Ramos lied to investigators, based on that issue alone, these investigators should have dug deeper and been more aggressive with the other managers and asked some very matter of fact questions.</p><p>Generally once you catch the primary suspect/witness/informant lying, all bets are off and the case is tainted.</p><p>Ramos lied about the affair, but everyone else is telling the truth about the retaliation, or should we say the conspiracy to discredit Ristow before the Ramos affairs got to far out of hand.</p><p>Might I remind our readers of Erwin&#8217;s allegations about the Ramos affairs as at least one motive for his prosecution. There is clear evidence to suggest that by the People&#8217;s own witnesses.</p><p>You decide if Ramos&#8217;s conduct towards certain BOS members and staff suggest subtle intimidation about this investigation from the start.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve Brow</title><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-373</link> <dc:creator>Steve Brow</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:52:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/?p=2181#comment-373</guid> <description>So event B did not occur as reported, or at least was not a direct result of event A, but we are not going to tell you if even A did or did not occur.
This is like the CHP releasing a report on whether or not a traffic fatality was related to rain without bothering to discern whether or not it was raining that day.
You expect your doctor to give you a clear diagnosis of the cause of your pain and then a protocol for its treatment and a prognosis for the possibility of success or failure of the treatment. If he fails at any of these steps, you suspect that either he is an idiot doctor or that some loved one has convinced him to hold back information from you.
So, are the lawyers who produced this report idiots, or what loved on of ours have convinced them to hold back pieces of information that would complete the logic. And why&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So event B did not occur as reported, or at least was not a direct result of event A, but we are not going to tell you if even A did or did not occur.</p><p>This is like the CHP releasing a report on whether or not a traffic fatality was related to rain without bothering to discern whether or not it was raining that day.</p><p>You expect your doctor to give you a clear diagnosis of the cause of your pain and then a protocol for its treatment and a prognosis for the possibility of success or failure of the treatment. If he fails at any of these steps, you suspect that either he is an idiot doctor or that some loved one has convinced him to hold back information from you.</p><p>So, are the lawyers who produced this report idiots, or what loved on of ours have convinced them to hold back pieces of information that would complete the logic. And why&gt;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-372</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:01:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/?p=2181#comment-372</guid> <description>This comment from the PE comments section is right on!
It&#039;s not the good old boys fault, it&#039;s the lack of exposure into Ramos&#039; piggish behavior that&#039;s not becoming of an elected official. If the voters county wide were fortunate enough to see this he would not be in office casting a dark shadow over SBC. Now not only are the LA lawyers laughing at us, but statewide in Sacramento and Washington they are laughing at our foolish and corrupt way of handling any investigation. Ramos has been toasting all night, what cowards all who fear Ramos. Are you men or mice? We are watching you BOS, mayors, senators, congressman, and all who are up for re-election. Ramos will not get the last laugh, and you who coward now when the going is tough will also be easily disposed of come election time. Once Ramos is gone, we will not need the weak left behind taking the credit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment from the PE comments section is right on!</p><p>It&#8217;s not the good old boys fault, it&#8217;s the lack of exposure into Ramos&#8217; piggish behavior that&#8217;s not becoming of an elected official. If the voters county wide were fortunate enough to see this he would not be in office casting a dark shadow over SBC. Now not only are the LA lawyers laughing at us, but statewide in Sacramento and Washington they are laughing at our foolish and corrupt way of handling any investigation. Ramos has been toasting all night, what cowards all who fear Ramos. Are you men or mice? We are watching you BOS, mayors, senators, congressman, and all who are up for re-election. Ramos will not get the last laugh, and you who coward now when the going is tough will also be easily disposed of come election time. Once Ramos is gone, we will not need the weak left behind taking the credit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-371</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:00:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/?p=2181#comment-371</guid> <description>This comment from the PE comments section is right on:
It&#039;s not the good old boys fault, it&#039;s the lack of exposure into Ramos&#039; piggish behavior that&#039;s not becoming of an elected official. If the voters county wide were fortunate enough to see this he would not be in office casting a dark shadow over SBC. Now not only are the LA lawyers laughing at us, but statewide in Sacramento and Washington they are laughing at our foolish and corrupt way of handling any investigation. Ramos has been toasting all night, what cowards all who fear Ramos. Are you men or mice? We are watching you BOS, mayors, senators, congressman, and all who are up for re-election. Ramos will not get the last laugh, and you who coward now when the going is tough will also be easily disposed of come election time. Once Ramos is gone, we will not need the weak left behind taking the credit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment from the PE comments section is right on:</p><p>It&#8217;s not the good old boys fault, it&#8217;s the lack of exposure into Ramos&#8217; piggish behavior that&#8217;s not becoming of an elected official. If the voters county wide were fortunate enough to see this he would not be in office casting a dark shadow over SBC. Now not only are the LA lawyers laughing at us, but statewide in Sacramento and Washington they are laughing at our foolish and corrupt way of handling any investigation. Ramos has been toasting all night, what cowards all who fear Ramos. Are you men or mice? We are watching you BOS, mayors, senators, congressman, and all who are up for re-election. Ramos will not get the last laugh, and you who coward now when the going is tough will also be easily disposed of come election time. Once Ramos is gone, we will not need the weak left behind taking the credit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: coflyonthewall</title><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-370</link> <dc:creator>coflyonthewall</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:15:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/?p=2181#comment-370</guid> <description>Mikey&#039;s cleared alright!   Cleared to continue having his sex-capades and everyone continuing to look the other way!!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikey&#8217;s cleared alright!   Cleared to continue having his sex-capades and everyone continuing to look the other way!!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Little Stevie Wonder</title><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-369</link> <dc:creator>Little Stevie Wonder</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:53:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/?p=2181#comment-369</guid> <description>I&#039;m sure Mikey is incapable and Unwilling to rebuke anything about his behavior, he might get it caught in the zipper.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure Mikey is incapable and Unwilling to rebuke anything about his behavior, he might get it caught in the zipper.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Unwilling...</title><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-368</link> <dc:creator>Unwilling...</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:46:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/?p=2181#comment-368</guid> <description>God, we know Mikey is a dirtbag! Yes, the voters should throw him out due to his inability to clear his name of the scandalous charges. But there is no clear nexus to the allegations harassment in the workplace. In fact, after reading the information provided in this report, I would ask that Mikey and his office be audited for more employee abuses. I wish I could be allowed to go to bingo parlors in a county car on the county time. We all know that most of the investigators are semi retired cops that never really wanted to do real police work. Getting them to do their job is like pulling teeth. And the BofI&#039;s admin staff should be publicly admonished for the Ristow transgressions even being allowed to occur once, let alone the numerous instances it was cited in the report. I think Neil should ask for a sweeping of the BofI house and some severe reforms (no more personal vehicles was a start). Maybe they all need to clock in and clock out. Maybe they all need their vehicle GPS turned on and routinely audited.
Mike has sat and ignored this malfeasance for far to long. The BofI is not a re-election arm of his campaign. They are servants for the county taxpayers. Time to rebuke the untold abuses that Mike has long allowed.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, we know Mikey is a dirtbag! Yes, the voters should throw him out due to his inability to clear his name of the scandalous charges. But there is no clear nexus to the allegations harassment in the workplace. In fact, after reading the information provided in this report, I would ask that Mikey and his office be audited for more employee abuses. I wish I could be allowed to go to bingo parlors in a county car on the county time. We all know that most of the investigators are semi retired cops that never really wanted to do real police work. Getting them to do their job is like pulling teeth. And the BofI&#8217;s admin staff should be publicly admonished for the Ristow transgressions even being allowed to occur once, let alone the numerous instances it was cited in the report. I think Neil should ask for a sweeping of the BofI house and some severe reforms (no more personal vehicles was a start). Maybe they all need to clock in and clock out. Maybe they all need their vehicle GPS turned on and routinely audited.</p><p>Mike has sat and ignored this malfeasance for far to long. The BofI is not a re-election arm of his campaign. They are servants for the county taxpayers. Time to rebuke the untold abuses that Mike has long allowed.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: outsider</title><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-364</link> <dc:creator>outsider</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:09:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/?p=2181#comment-364</guid> <description>You expect crookedness from people like Stringer. They just cant help themselves. They are so incompetent that the only way they can get by in life is to hook onto some sleazy operation where they will be useful.
But how does Frank Pine, editor of the Sun, explain printing &quot;Ramos is cleared&quot; when his own reporter Joe Nelson did about a 3 month investigATION proving the truth of all the rumors. Huh, Frank? Dont ya think it&#039;s a little misleading when you know the actual truth? Oh yeah, I forgot, Pine is as corrupt as his buddy Ramos.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You expect crookedness from people like Stringer. They just cant help themselves. They are so incompetent that the only way they can get by in life is to hook onto some sleazy operation where they will be useful.</p><p>But how does Frank Pine, editor of the Sun, explain printing &#8220;Ramos is cleared&#8221; when his own reporter Joe Nelson did about a 3 month investigATION proving the truth of all the rumors. Huh, Frank? Dont ya think it&#8217;s a little misleading when you know the actual truth? Oh yeah, I forgot, Pine is as corrupt as his buddy Ramos.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Irate Taxpayer</title><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-362</link> <dc:creator>Irate Taxpayer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:47:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/?p=2181#comment-362</guid> <description>We paid $140,000 for that piece of crap. Where did the money go.  It wasn&#039;t for what you see here.  What are they hiding?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We paid $140,000 for that piece of crap. Where did the money go.  It wasn&#8217;t for what you see here.  What are they hiding?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Disgusted Voter</title><link>http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/2010/01/28/inlandpolitics-s-b-county-ramos-investigation-doesnt-add-up-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-361</link> <dc:creator>Disgusted Voter</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:44:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inlandpolitics.com/blog/?p=2181#comment-361</guid> <description>Just exactly how does an investigation that was suppossed to be about his sexual misconduct with his female employees become an investigation of whether the whistle blower broke a few minor rules.  It states in the report that they were specifically told not to look into any of the allegations against him. No wonder he was &quot;cleared&quot;.  Now go back and do what the public wants, a fair and complete investigation of the allegations agains &quot;him&quot;.  This time leave his girl friend over at the County Counsel who altered the investigation out of it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just exactly how does an investigation that was suppossed to be about his sexual misconduct with his female employees become an investigation of whether the whistle blower broke a few minor rules.  It states in the report that they were specifically told not to look into any of the allegations against him. No wonder he was &#8220;cleared&#8221;.  Now go back and do what the public wants, a fair and complete investigation of the allegations agains &#8220;him&#8221;.  This time leave his girl friend over at the County Counsel who altered the investigation out of it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
